Real rethinking of air units

[Narvik]

@Baron:

But, in Naval situation, both fleet are at the same range from each other. Attacking TacBs and Fgs need the same time to reach the other fleet.

Strong and valid point.

Lets say Fighters and Tacs lose one combat point for every space they combatmove .

Lets say a general Fighter A3 D3.

One landbased attacking Fighter must combat move 2 spaces to the Battlezone, and lose 2 points. This Fighter attack on a 1.
One Carrierbased attacking Fighter get brought to the Battlezone by the Carrier, and attack with full strength, a 3 or less.

One defending Fighter that was based on a Carrier in the Battlezone defend on full value, which is 3 or less.
An additional defending Fighter that scrambled from an adjacent island, lose 1 point, and defend at 2 or less.

How about that, to much to keep track off ?

[baron Münchhausen]

@Narvik:

Fighter cost 8, att 2, def 3, move 2, can scramble, intercept and escort bombers, land on carriers and newly captured territory.
Tac bomber cost 10, att 3, def 4, move 2, land on carriers, SBR Ports and Airfields
Medium Bomber cost 12, att 2+2, def 0, move 4, SBR all facilities with two dice
Heavy bomber cost 15, att 2+2+2, def 0, move 6, SBR all facilities with three dice

AIR COMBAT

1. One round only of Air-to-air dogfight
Escort figthers att at 2, intercepting fighters def at 3.
All types of attacking Bombers roll 1 in the dogfight. Def Bombers roll 0

2. Surviving attacking Bombers commit to SBR a facility or Carpet bomb land units.

2a. One round only of SBR. Facility AA-fire to Bombers. Remove casualties.
Tacs roll 1 dice, Medium rolls 2 dice, Heavies roll 3 dice, every eye is one damage point, as OOB.

2b. One round only of preemptive carpet bombing. Present AA units roll AA-fire to bombers. Remove casualties.

Medium bombers carpet bomb with two dice, 2+2 is hits
Heavy bombers carpet bomb with 3 dice, 2+2+2 is hits A Bomber need a matching land unit when carpet bombing, like the Battleship do when shore bombarding
Casualties are removed from play, they cant defend.

With a Fighter unit with such a high defense @3 in SBR, is this too overpowered compared to OOB?

I think so, after a few calculations.
Any SBR against such a foe, on a 1 StB vs 1 Fg even in this modified situation (2D6 damage, 12 IPCs) gives high odds of losing for the attacker (-3.31 IPCs damage /StB making a raid) while the OOB G40 SBR is clearly positive toward attacker (+ 1.18 IPCs damage/StB making a raid).
Even Heavy StB at 15 IPCs and 3D6 damage is at a low - 2.78 IPCs damage/ Heavy StB making raid.

So, this SBR system is clearly not an incentive to makes SBRaids.

[crusaderiv]

Too much rethinking…
How many times you think players will use it?
How many times of game play?

AL.

[baron Münchhausen]

@Narvik:

@Baron:

But, in Naval situation, both fleet are at the same range from each other. Attacking TacBs and Fgs need the same time to reach the other fleet.

Strong and valid point.

Lets say Fighters and Tacs lose one combat point for every space they combatmove .

Lets say a general Fighter A3 D3.
One landbased attacking Fighter must combat move 2 spaces to the Battlezone, and lose 2 points. This Fighter attack on a 1.
One Carrierbased attacking Fighter get brought to the Battlezone by the Carrier, and attack with full strength, a 3 or less.

One defending Fighter that was based on a Carrier in the Battlezone defend on full value, which is 3 or less.
An additional defending Fighter that scrambled from an adjacent island, lose 1 point, and defend at 2 or less.

How about that, to much to keep track off ?

Probably a bit too much to track all penalties.
Basicaly, you have 2 options:
1- gives a bonus to the planes which are on the SZ by using Carriers and let other planes the general stats or
2- treat the carrier planes in the SZ as the general reference and all other planes receiving a penalty.

If I was playing under the second option, I think I would rather prefer a simple penalty, instead of a graduated ones which makes for many sub-groups of various stats amongst planes.
For example, give at least a minimum move of 1 as a no penalty move. Anything higher, receives a -1 attack penalty.
So, this will be simpler for the defender: any scramble or defending planes from a carrier keep the basic stats.
For the attacker, any planes taking off an island and going further than surrounding SZ of this island receive the -1 penalty.
I would agree that any attacking carrier brought into combat makes 2 planes without penalty.
However, any plane taking off a carrier which isn’t going into an embattled SZ more than 1 space away must suffer the -1 penalty.

So attacker, will only get 2 Fighter values to take care: Attack A3 or A3-1.

Going further in specifications, IMO, is for people who really have time for such a high level of minor details which have a lesser impact in the overall scheme.
I know that Grieghund have played with small cardboards providing numbers for each flying aircraft, telling how many moves each have left and can serve to tell the number of penalty applying.

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BTW, please answer this question, I’m really puzzled:

@Baron:

Fighter cost 8, att 2, def 3, move 2, can scramble, intercept and escort bombers, land on carriers and newly captured territory.
Tac bomber cost 10, att 3, def 4, move 2, land on carriers, SBR Ports and Airfields

**I just realized you put them at 2 moves.
What do you mean?**1 Fighter from UK can no more attack land territory in western Europe, because it needs 4 movement points?

[baron Münchhausen]

@crusaderiv:

Too much rethinking…
How many times you think players will use it?
How many times of game play?

AL.

Hi Crusader,
are you talking about doing Strategic Bombing Raid or about penalty for long distance attacking planes ?

[crusaderiv]

long distance attacking planes ?
Yes

AL.