1942.2 total vic. w/ int: Zombie69 (Axis) vs Commando Brado (Allies + 12)

[Commando Brado]

@Zombie69:

It’s not a stupid rule, it prevents defensive fighters from being too good. With Global rules, in order to have the same number of losses on average for the attacker and defender, you need to bring 1 plane for every defending plane. In 1942.2, with defenders hitting on a 2 but not hitting at all if destroyed, you need to bring 3 attackers for every 2 defenders. Without this, you’d need to bring 2 for 1, which would be overpowered for the defender in my opinion.

I don’t know why you insist on rolling them in the forum though. Like I said, it will be easier to let TripleA roll them and just adjust accordingly whenever an attacker made a hit or a defender rolled a 2. TripleA shows you the dice results, so it should be very easy to adjust whenever this happens. I’ll finish my turn and send you a save.

I think it should be harder for SBR runs. Historically and realistically, it is harder to defend bombers against attacking fighters. SBR’s shouldn’t get to attack at one, as historically they shot down very few fighters. It was the defending fighters that shot down most attacking fighters when they were defending the bombers. I get what you’re saying from a game play stand point. However, I think SBR runs should be harder if there are defending fighters involved.

Just seems like rolling via the Forum would be safer and easier. Sorry. I’m a long time Forum player.  :-P

[Commando Brado]

@Zombie69:

Normally I buy 11 INF and 2 ART with Germany round 1, but considering all the stuff you brought to Ukraine plus all the losses you took in West Russia, I decided it was time to go on the offensive and buy 3 bombers!

I’m sure your strategy will seal my doom very soon!  :evil:

[Zombie69]

Well, if you don’t like the rules, take your issue with the developers! I don’t know why they decided to make it so lost fighters don’t fire back. Maybe it’s to simulate fighters caught off guard and shot down on the airstrip before they could take to the air. Who knows…

All I know is that I like the rule as it allows for just the right amount of defense against SBR, without making it downright impossible to SBR at all. I think it gets the balance just right.

[Commando Brado]

I added a SBR to Caucasus during the Russian turn, instead of a FTR. I’ll fix on the Brit turn.

[Commando Brado]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Caucasus: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Caucasus: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            British buy 1 factory, 1 fighter and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 5 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Libya
                  British take Libya from Germans
            1 armour moved from Libya to Egypt
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to 37 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier and 2 fighters
                    British roll dice for 1 submarine in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 carrier, 2 cruisers and 2 fighters in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/5 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 carrier in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 carrier owned by the Japanese, 1 submarine owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 37 Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 2 cruisers and 2 fighters in 37 Sea Zone, round 3 :  2/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 fighters in 37 Sea Zone, round 3 :  2/3 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British, 1 fighter owned by the British and 2 fighters owned by the Japanese lost in 37 Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 fighter in 37 Sea Zone, round 4 :  2/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship in 37 Sea Zone, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 battleship owned by the Japanese lost in 37 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 battleship, 1 carrier and 2 fighters
                Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
            Battle in 5 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber
                Germans defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Germans lost in 5 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 transport

Non Combat Move - British
            1 infantry moved from Burma to India
            1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
            1 armour moved from Eastern Canada to Alaska
            1 bomber moved from 5 Sea Zone to Caucasus
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to French West Africa
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to French West Africa
            1 infantry moved from Persia to Trans-Jordan
            1 aaGun moved from India to 35 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from India to 35 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 34 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 aaGun moved from 34 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Australia to 39 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Australia to 39 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Western Australia to Eastern Australia

Place Units - British
            1 factory placed in Egypt
            1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs total
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from India: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Persia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Territory Summary for British :

17 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    30 Sea Zone : 2 infantry and 1 transport
    34 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    Alaska : 1 armour
    Belgian Congo : 1 infantry
    Caucasus : 1 bomber
    Eastern Australia : 1 infantry
    Egypt : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 4 infantry
    French West Africa : 2 fighters
    India : 1 factory, 1 fighter and 4 infantry
    Libya : 1 flag
    New Zealand : 1 infantry
    Persia : 1 infantry
    Trans-Jordan : 1 infantry
    United Kingdom : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory and 2 infantry
    Western Canada : 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 24 / 28
    Germans : 40 / 42
    British : 32 / 32
    Japanese : 30 / 30
    Americans : 42 / 42

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 2 times
            2 was rolled 5 times
            3 was rolled 3 times
            4 was rolled 3 times
            5 was rolled 3 times
            6 was rolled 4 times
        Average roll : 3.600
        Median : 3.500
        Variance : 0.316
        Standard Deviation : 0.562
        Total rolls : 20

Japanese Combat
            2 was rolled 2 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
            4 was rolled 2 times
            5 was rolled 2 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3.875
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.571
        Standard Deviation : 0.756
        Total rolls : 8

British Combat
            1 was rolled 2 times
            2 was rolled 3 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 1 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 3 times
        Average roll : 3.417
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.364
        Standard Deviation : 0.603
        Total rolls : 12

[Commando Brado]

Decided to make a non-combat change during the Placement phase, using Edit Mode.

[Zombie69]

Good move to send the fighters in Africa. Interesting move, that IC in Egypt. All hands on Africa! Should be a very interesting game.

[Zombie69]

Are you sure you don’t want to move the Egyptian destroyer? Not too late to change it.

[Commando Brado]

Hmm, let me think about it. Shouldn’t change the Japanese turn.

[Zombie69]

No, but the Japanese turn might change where you put it! I’ll wait for your decision.

[Commando Brado]

I’ll move the Brit DD to SZ34.

[Zombie69]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 carrier, 3 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            2 infantry moved from Japan to 60 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 60 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 63 Sea Zone to Soviet Far East
                  Japanese take Soviet Far East from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Buryatia S.S.R.
                  Japanese take Buryatia S.S.R. from Russians
            2 infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwei
            4 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwei
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Szechwan
            1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Szechwan
            1 fighter moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Szechwan
            1 infantry moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Burma
                  Japanese take Burma from British
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Yunnan
            1 transport moved from 61 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Japan to 60 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 60 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 60 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from 61 Sea Zone to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from 61 Sea Zone to Yunnan
            1 battleship moved from 60 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 50 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 50 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Japan to 53 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Japan to 53 Sea Zone

[Zombie69]

Do you want to submerge your American sub in Hawaii? 1 sub, 2 FGT and 1 BMB attacking.

[Commando Brado]

I will submerge.

[Zombie69]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 carrier, 3 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            2 infantry moved from Japan to 60 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 60 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 63 Sea Zone to Soviet Far East
                  Japanese take Soviet Far East from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Buryatia S.S.R.
                  Japanese take Buryatia S.S.R. from Russians
            2 infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwei
            4 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwei
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Szechwan
            1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Szechwan
            1 fighter moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Szechwan
            1 infantry moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Burma
                  Japanese take Burma from British
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Indo-China Thailand to Yunnan
            1 transport moved from 61 Sea Zone to 60 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Japan to 60 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 60 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 60 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from 61 Sea Zone to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from 61 Sea Zone to Yunnan
            1 battleship moved from 60 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 50 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 50 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Japan to 53 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Japan to 53 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Szechwan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Americans defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Americans with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
            Battle in Anhwei
                Japanese attack with 6 infantry
                Americans defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Anhwei from Americans with 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
            Battle in 53 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                Americans defend with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                1 submarine owned by the Americans Submerged
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 carrier moved from 50 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 53 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 60 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 61 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to French Indo-China Thailand
            2 fighters moved from Szechwan to French Indo-China Thailand

Place Units - Japanese
            1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 60 Sea Zone
            3 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs total

[Zombie69]

Too bad for you that you chose to submerge because you kicked my ass in that battle and it could have been even worse if the sub had fought as well!

[Commando Brado]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. If I had the Sub fight, I probably would have got my butt kicked. Can’t 2nd quess the best decision. By fighting, according to the odds calculator, it only increased your losses by a few IPC’s. Wasn’t worth it. Hindsight is 20/20.

[Zombie69]

Well said!  :mrgreen:

[Commando Brado]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 destroyer moved from 11 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 11 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 10 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber and 2 destroyers
                Germans defend with 1 submarine
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 destroyers in 10 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 10 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 10 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 bomber and 2 destroyers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 bomber moved from 10 Sea Zone to French West Africa
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to French West Africa
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 19 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Western United States to Western Canada
            1 infantry moved from Western United States to Western Canada
            1 aaGun moved from Western United States to Western Canada
            1 submarine moved from 53 Sea Zone to 57 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 56 Sea Zone to 57 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 56 Sea Zone to 57 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 56 Sea Zone to 53 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 53 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 53 Sea Zone to 57 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 57 Sea Zone to Midway
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to Alaska
            1 aaGun moved from Eastern United States to Eastern Canada
            1 infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern Canada

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 11 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in 11 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs total

Territory Summary for Americans :

10 Sea Zone : 2 destroyers
    11 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 transports
    57 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport
    Alaska : 1 fighter and 1 infantry
    Eastern Canada : 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
    Eastern United States : 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
    French West Africa : 1 bomber and 1 fighter
    Midway : 2 infantry
    Western Canada : 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
    Western United States : 1 factory

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 22 / 28
    Germans : 40 / 42
    British : 31 / 32
    Japanese : 35 / 35
    Americans : 40 / 40

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 3 times
        Average roll : 4.750
        Median : 6.000
        Variance : 3.333
        Standard Deviation : 1.826
        Total rolls : 4

Germans Combat
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 6.000
        Median : 6.000
        Variance : ?
        Standard Deviation : ?
        Total rolls : 1

Americans Combat
            1 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 2 times
        Average roll : 4.333
        Median : 6.000
        Variance : 2.500
        Standard Deviation : 1.581
        Total rolls : 3

[Commando Brado]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II v5 1942 Second Edition, version: 1.9

Game History

Round: 2

Research Technology - Russians

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 7 artilleries; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 submarine moved from 7 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Archangel
            1 infantry moved from West Russia to Russia
            1 infantry moved from West Russia to Russia
            1 infantry moved from West Russia to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Russia
            1 aaGun moved from West Russia to Russia
            1 aaGun moved from West Russia to Russia
            1 armour moved from West Russia to Russia
            1 artillery moved from West Russia to Russia
            1 artillery moved from West Russia to Russia
            1 artillery moved from Caucasus to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Novosibirsk
            1 infantry moved from Evenki National Okrug to Novosibirsk
            1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Evenki National Okrug
            1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Evenki National Okrug
            1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Evenki National Okrug

Place Units - Russians
            7 artilleries placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 22 PUs total

Territory Summary for Russians :

10 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    Archangel : 1 infantry
    Caucasus : 1 factory and 1 infantry
    Egypt : 1 fighter
    Evenki National Okrug : 3 infantry
    Novosibirsk : 2 infantry
    Russia : 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 10 artilleries, 1 factory, 1 fighter and 10 infantry
    West Russia : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Yakut S.S.R. : 2 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Russians : 22 / 22
    Germans : 40 / 42
    British : 31 / 32
    Japanese : 35 / 35
    Americans : 40 / 40