Cloning

[Guest]

@TG:

I doubt we’ll be seeing a “clone army” in the future, F_alk. I think you’ve been watching way too much Star Wars, freundchen. :wink:

The clone army was not what i feared. But messing with living material… well, the good thing about chemical and nuclear weapons is that they are active only once. Biological entities have the tendency to multiply, to survive at all costs… so creating something there and setting it free can have effects that we can not foresee at all, and that is the danger.

But that is going OT, that"s why i put it in brackets the first place.

[TG Moses VI]

Yes, but physics is not just limited to nuclear energy nor chemestry to chemical agents, but I see the point that you’re getting at least. ;) At least for now, there are vaccines for some biological agents - for nuclear warefare, there are none.

[NatFedMike]

@Yanny:

A clone is a person. He will simply have the same DNA (slightly varied actually) as another person, like a twin. He’s even have different finger prints.

They could even better then the average person, if we get skilled enough at Cloning we could take out the Bad genes in people like Cancer if that is feasable off course. And it could help us understand aging a bit and make wonders for medical technology. and if you are that Open minded, you could think of Cloning as our next stage of Evolution. because as far as i am concerned anything Man made is Natural, because after all Man is naturally made.

[cystic crypt]

@NatFedMike:

@Yanny:

A clone is a person. He will simply have the same DNA (slightly varied actually) as another person, like a twin. He’s even have different finger prints.

They could even better then the average person, if we get skilled enough at Cloning we could take out the Bad genes in people like Cancer if that is feasable off course. And it could help us understand aging a bit and make wonders for medical technology. and if you are that Open minded, you could think of Cloning as our next stage of Evolution. because as far as i am concerned anything Man made is Natural, because after all Man is naturally made.

signs of Gattaca.

And i think that man threw out the whole idea of “natural evolution” once social-type programs were invented. With the current social nets in place people who should not be living to reproduce are doing so increasingly. Cloning - No animal can genetically engineer out genetic “blebs” - not with the same velocity that you are proposing. Maybe this is our answer to the social engineering question where the least deserving seem to reproduce increasingly. (by “least deserving” i am referring to the kind of people who should have died by accidently baking themselves in an oven, or by jumping up and down in a knife field)

[Janus1]

candidates for the darwin awards.

[Guest]

CC, i am surprised.
Even though (Depending on my mood) i sometimes saz something similar elitist…. i can not understand at all how christianity and talking of “people that would better be dead” can go hand in hand. I am confused.

[cystic crypt]

@F_alk:

CC, i am surprised.
Even though (Depending on my mood) i sometimes saz something similar elitist…. i can not understand at all how christianity and talking of “people that would better be dead” can go hand in hand. I am confused.

wow
where did i mention “people that would better be dead”?
This is not a simple misquote, this is a completely different meaning.
I am suggesting that there are people who would have died a billion times of a billion conditions that havn’t because of our social engineering.
Would these people be better off dead? I would never say this thing. Even about prisoners on death row. If i was the kind of person to say this, then why would i be against capital punishment.
I’ll write his up to a difference in language.

[Guest]

@cystic:

Maybe this is our answer to the social engineering question where the least deserving seem to reproduce increasingly. (by “least deserving” i am referring to the kind of people who should have died by accidently baking themselves in an oven, or by jumping up and down in a knife field)

Then i must have misunderstood you, but this “baking themselves” and “jumping … in a knife field” just made me understand it that way.

[cystic crypt]

@F_alk:

@cystic:

Maybe this is our answer to the social engineering question where the least deserving seem to reproduce increasingly. (by “least deserving” i am referring to the kind of people who should have died by accidently baking themselves in an oven, or by jumping up and down in a knife field)

Then i must have misunderstood you, but this “baking themselves” and “jumping … in a knife field” just made me understand it that way.

i’m exaggerating the stupidity (but only marginally) of humans that in another place in another time would not have lived long enough to reproduce.

[Grigoriy Ivanovitch]

My question is now: how exactly are we going to use genetic engineering to get rid of stupid people reproducing, CC? Do you plan to engineer out that ability somehow?

[cystic crypt]

@Grigoriy:

My question is now: how exactly are we going to use genetic engineering to get rid of stupid people reproducing, CC? Do you plan to engineer out that ability somehow?

this was not my point.
this is called “eugenics” and was loosely applied by Hitler et al. about 60+ years ago. I have no plans for any kind of engineering, social or genetic or mechanical, etc. In fact, i think that just as genetics may be an exciting step in the further development of humankind, this step without ethical considerations and care for other people (who they are, and who they might be) is a very dangerous one.
I considered, one day, a very cynical way to do what you are proposing. The resolution is simple.
A clinic that provided free vasectomies/tubal ligations. In addition to this service, they would provide a free 2-4 of beer. This would eliminate from the gene pool all of those who would give up their fertility in exchange for beer. This sounds politically incorrect for some reason . . . .

[Grigoriy Ivanovitch]

Ah, eugenics. I do know that besides Hitler, various scientific types such as Darwin also applied it to their thinking. The problem with it, is that if you restrict who you can marry, you end up with inbreeding.

Also, your clinic idea probably is not PC somehow…but it would probably work (sadly)

[Yanny]

" They could even better then the average person, if we get skilled enough at Cloning we could take out the Bad genes in people like Cancer if that is feasable off course. And it could help us understand aging a bit and make wonders for medical technology. and if you are that Open minded, you could think of Cloning as our next stage of Evolution. because as far as i am concerned anything Man made is Natural, because after all Man is naturally made."

Then they would not be clones :)

[Janus1]

Im not talking about human cloning or stem cell research, or any of that, I think thats a seperate discussion.

You know whats great? the way nobody cares what the actual topic is, and flat-out ignores a statement like this. :wink:

[Grigoriy Ivanovitch]

@Janus1:

Im not talking about human cloning or stem cell research, or any of that, I think thats a seperate discussion.

You know whats great? the way nobody cares what the actual topic is, and flat-out ignores a statement like this. :wink:

That’s because you’re not a moderator; they don’t fear you. :D

They could even better then the average person, if we get skilled enough at Cloning we could take out the Bad genes in people like Cancer if that is feasable off course. And it could help us understand aging a bit and make wonders for medical technology. and if you are that Open minded, you could think of Cloning as our next stage of Evolution. because as far as i am concerned anything Man made is Natural, because after all Man is naturally made.

Then the perfect clones would shoot all of us imperfect non-clones, and then where would we be?

[Janus1]

Lol, i know, i have no authority. Its just funny to me.