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The UN resolutions have been very anti-Zionist and in some cases anti-Semitic. You have Libya with her fellow Arab countries running the UN Humanitarian Aid, and you expect Khaddafey to look at things from an objective point of view? The UN calls Zionism racist, which is not possible because Jews aren’t a race. Zionism cannot be racist because it does not discriminate against anybody.
So, a country which is discriminated does not need to follow UN orders?
Just like the Iraq, somehow.
And remember, when was the first resolution of the UN set up, for Israel to stick to its borders?Israel did her part of “the deal” in 1948 during hte population exchange when it absorbed all the Jewish refugees from the Arab world,
which may I add, were not supported by ay part of the world. No one complained when they were kicked out of their homes and in some cases, tortured by the Arabs.No one complained when any people was kicked out of their homes after the borders were redrawn after WW2….
Look at the polish and germans, who had to go west, with the soviets taking land in east poland, and the polish taking land in east germany.
Look at Pakistan,Bangladesh and India, even though it was more of a “willingly” move there.The Palestinians left their homes willingly. … so F_alk, don’t point to your website saying that the Americans and british didn’t pick up and radio broadcasts of that kind.
First, i’d like to know what that sentence means, i really do not understand it. Second: If you find “my website” i would be very thankful, as i could sue whoever guy set that up and maybe earn a lot of money with that.
And you asked for more arguments:
What reason ever is there to kill childs?
What reasons ever are there to teach hate (of Palestines/Israelis) in school?
I do not care who started it. I do care who is in a stronger position, and that is Israel, with less people living in poverty (have oyu read the stats on that, both copuntries are down, Israel less than Palestine though). I do care when civilians see the need to become “terrorists” (during WW2 that would have been called “partisans”) and when soldiers kill civilians. -
I wish that Canada had an infinitely better track record when it came to dealing with The Jews. I wish that we offered them a home here and they could all settle in Canada. There’s lots of room here, as a rule they’re good people - hard working with wonderful cultural acumen, and very well educated. Of course i wouldn’t want them to establish a new country here unless they already lived in Quebec . . . then that would be kind of funny.
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America gives that offer to all of our commonwealth provinces.
So tell me, why does Israel not let Palestine cede? It would be in the interest of Israel’s economy, national security, and credibility as a nation. Saudi Arabia, and many other Arab states, already said that they would establish diplomatic relations with Israel, as well as reconition of Israel as a true Nation, if Israel were to give Palestine it’s independence.
If Israel does not do this, she is going to see the radicals on the Palestinian side slowly gain more power. This means more dead Israelis, up to the day where the Palestinians aquire a weapon more deadly than a bomb strapped to their chests.
And, Israel’s continued stupidity will keep costing American lives. The best thing we could ever do to improve our national security is make Israel get it’s own weapons.
Firstly, about America letting states cede, that is totally untrue. America fought a bloody Civil War for 4 years to keep the south in the union, so don’t talk about America letting provinces or states leave.
You can’t let them cede firstly, because then as a sovereign nation they will declare war and then they will also be allowed to legally import arms, and these terrorists will gain their hands on these arms. Secondly, by letting them cede, they will bring their fellow Arab countries into a full scale war in the region, which they will of course claim is defensive and the world will rush to listen to them.
Do you honestly believe the Arab states would truly accept Israel? They didn’t care about the Palestinians in the Khartoum Coneference and they certainly don’t care now. They put the offer on the table to strengthen the Palestinians’ claim and to try to force the UN into taking actions against Israel. Egypt never wanted Gaza back, she told Israel to keep it when she signed peace. This whole idea of recognition won’t happen because the Arabs are playing political games, as are their new weapons ,the Palestinians.
F_alk, when I said your webiste, I was talking about the website you linked to from the forums that you said you would use as a guide to the Middle East conflict. As for teaching hate against Palestinians, that is not taught in Israeli schools. Israeli schools in recent years have been underplaying many of hte important factors that led to Israel’s creation such as the Holocaust and have moved to more global studies. In the Palestinian schhols, the Koran is taught which is clearly very anti-Semitic in many verses. The math taught there is, “If you have 3 Jews and you kill one, how many do you have left?” They’ve been teachign this kind of math since even before Israel controlled them. The PLO was founded in 1964 to liberate Palestine, which then referred to Israel before the Six Day War. BTW, Palestine isn’t a country so it can’t have stats talking about its population. And partisans attacked German military targets, they didn’t start shooting at civilians living in cities.
India nad Pakistan conducted a population exchange, Hindus for Muslims, and each country absorbed the refugees into itself. But the Arabs did not absorb the Palestinains and now they are throwing that on Israel to settle. A major problem with giving the Palestinians a country is that if you give a man an inch, he’ll want a mile. If you give the msomething, they’ll want everything, as they do today. You can’t work around Arafat, because he’s only one of many who want the whole cake.
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Firstly, about America letting states cede, that is totally untrue. America fought a bloody Civil War for 4 years to keep the south in the union, so don’t talk about America letting provinces or states leave.
First, I’m not talking about states. I am talking about US territory which do not have representation in Congress or vote in the Presidential Elections. They are given the option to cede. No one has ever chosen to cede.
So, either give the Palestinians an option, or fully incorporate them into the Government of Israel. Israel taxes Palestine, does not give the provence any representation, nor do they have the choice to cede. The United States does not tax it’s non-state territories (beyond the territory’s own local taxes which are controlled by local lawmakers), and gives them the option to cede. The people of our territories are full American citizens (who do not pay federal taxes but have no representatives in Congress), and carry complete American passports.
Do you honestly believe the Arab states would truly accept Israel? They didn’t care about the Palestinians in the Khartoum Coneference and they certainly don’t care now. They put the offer on the table to strengthen the Palestinians’ claim and to try to force the UN into taking actions against Israel. Egypt never wanted Gaza back, she told Israel to keep it when she signed peace. This whole idea of recognition won’t happen because the Arabs are playing political games, as are their new weapons ,the Palestinians.
Yes, I believe they will. Jorden and Egypt are allies (though questionable, and they are by no means enemies) of Israel. Saudi Arabia is constantly trying to attain peace with Israel.
The math taught there is, “If you have 3 Jews and you kill one, how many do you have left?”
Your either kidding or you believe some Israeli propoganda.
The PLO was founded in 1964 to liberate Palestine, which then referred to Israel before the Six Day War.
The PLO is just a side organization and does not represent the palestinian people.
BTW, Palestine isn’t a country so it can’t have stats talking about its population.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/we.html
2,163,667 (July 2002 est.)
note: in addition, there are about 182,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank and about 176,000 in East Jerusalem (August 2001 est.) -
The math taught there is, “If you have 3 Jews and you kill one, how many do you have left?”
Your either kidding or you believe some Israeli propoganda.
Hmmm, it’s kind of hard to take you seriously Yanny, when there are children running through the streets with machine guns in their hands. :-? Is that propoganda too? :roll:
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Wrong country. There are not children (beyond maybe a few dozen who are out for the cameras) running through the streets in Palestine. Your thinking countries like Somalia, in East Africa, where civil war has caused the age for someone to take up arms to get lower every year.
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First, I’m not talking about states. I am talking about US territory which do not have representation in Congress or vote in the Presidential Elections. They are given the option to cede. No one has ever chosen to cede.
So, either give the Palestinians an option, or fully incorporate them into the Government of Israel. Israel taxes Palestine, does not give the provence any representation, nor do they have the choice to cede. The United States does not tax it’s non-state territories (beyond the territory’s own local taxes which are controlled by local lawmakers), and gives them the option to cede. The people of our territories are full American citizens (who do not pay federal taxes but have no representatives in Congress), and carry complete American passports.
Yes, I believe they will. Jorden and Egypt are allies (though questionable, and they are by no means enemies) of Israel. Saudi Arabia is constantly trying to attain peace with Israel.
Your either kidding or you believe some Israeli propoganda.
The PLO is just a side organization and does not represent the palestinian people.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/we.html
2,163,667 (July 2002 est.)
note: in addition, there are about 182,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank and about 176,000 in East Jerusalem (August 2001 est.)Yanny, you are being a hypocrite when you talk about America letting a province leave because what your are proposing would make the Palestinians the equivalent of an American state, which cannot cede from the union. About how the Palestinians learn in school, have you not seen any videos of their schools? A movie called “Promises” shows a bit about the Palestinian schools. The problem with making the Palestinians into full citizens is that they will take control of the government and then there would be another Holocaust. Also, let us not forget that Israel obtained these areas in a defensive war, and that according to the Geneva Conventions, a country may keep territory captured in a defensive war. Israel has been willing to negotiaite, but no matter what deal they seem to give the Palestinians, they rejected it. They got two great offers at Camp David and at Taba and they rejected them both. How can you talk about letting them cede, when they wont agree to negotiate nor do they want the part they are being offered, which all in all totals up to 100% of the territory they want.
The PLO does trepresent the Palestinian people. It was turned into the PA, which is the Palestinians’ leadership. Yasser Arafat headed the PLO and now he heads the PA. It’s the same friendly service under a new name. BTW, the peace with Egypt is a very cold peace. At best, Israel would gain a cold peace with the Arab countries but even this is unlikely.
East Jerusalem by no means belongs to the Palestinians. It was supposed to be an international city according to the original UN partition of the land but the Jordanians captured it and held it. The problem with returning it to the Palestinians is that most likely no Jews will ever be allowed to visit the holy sites there. The Jews were supposed to be allowed to visit East Jerusalem according to the 1949 cease-fire agreement with Jordan, who never kept up their end of the bargain but rather would fire on West Jerusalem. East Jerusalem is very controversial. I believe it should remain in the hands of Israel as it is now open to all people under Israeli control. Why risk it being closed off.
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Firstly, about America letting states cede, that is totally untrue. America fought a bloody Civil War for 4 years to keep the south in the union, so don’t talk about America letting provinces or states leave.
yeah, you can blame that on the greedy northern industralists.
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As for teaching hate against Palestinians, that is not taught in Israeli schools. Israeli schools in recent years have been underplaying many of hte important factors that led to Israel’s creation such as the Holocaust and have moved to more global studies. In the Palestinian schhols, the Koran is taught which is clearly very anti-Semitic in many verses.
Sure of that? How can you claim that you know that in one school they teach hate, and in the other they don’t? How can you claim that the schools in Palestine are not secular, but the ones in Israel are? Would you say Talmud-Thora-students do not go to school (i know i am shifting the age we talk about here, so i get back to younger ones).
I think you are extremely biased towards Israel, which is no wonder.
(Plus with about 55% of kids in Plaestine going to school, how big is the schools influence, and how much more influence can fundamentalists gain when the educational infrastructure keeps being destroyed?)
For an article about hate being taught in schools on both sides, i read an article, and i try to recall where… i will tell you once i remember.…. And partisans attacked German military targets, they didn’t start shooting at civilians living in cities.
Hmmm… is that enough excuse to kill civilians, children! of the other side?
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@F_alk:
As for teaching hate against Palestinians, that is not taught in Israeli schools. Israeli schools in recent years have been underplaying many of hte important factors that led to Israel’s creation such as the Holocaust and have moved to more global studies. In the Palestinian schhols, the Koran is taught which is clearly very anti-Semitic in many verses.
Sure of that? How can you claim that you know that in one school they teach hate, and in the other they don’t? How can you claim that the schools in Palestine are not secular, but the ones in Israel are? Would you say Talmud-Thora-students do not go to school (i know i am shifting the age we talk about here, so i get back to younger ones).
I think you are extremely biased towards Israel, which is no wonder.
(Plus with about 55% of kids in Plaestine going to school, how big is the schools influence, and how much more influence can fundamentalists gain when the educational infrastructure keeps being destroyed?)
For an article about hate being taught in schools on both sides, i read an article, and i try to recall where… i will tell you once i remember.even one school teaching hate is a problem. Also being Jewish does not rob one of all objectivity, it is possible to see both sides of a situation. I’m amazed at the number of anti-Israeli/pro-Palastinian people out there myself.
Also with 55% of kids in Palastine going to school - how many of these are subjected to “fundamentalist blow-up-Jews” teaching, and how many of the 45% are subjected to the same by their parents? Impossible to quantify, but i’m even more worried about this 45%. -
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even one school teaching hate is a problem. Also being Jewish does not rob one of all objectivity, it is possible to see both sides of a situation. I’m amazed at the number of anti-Israeli/pro-Palastinian people out there myself.
Agreed, and agreed … and just the opposite here…
Also with 55% of kids in Palastine going to school - how many of these are subjected to “fundamentalist blow-up-Jews” teaching, and how many of the 45% are subjected to the same by their parents? Impossible to quantify, but i’m even more worried about this 45%.
I fear the parents don’t have too much influence in this war-stricken country…. but again i agree
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Yanny, you are being a hypocrite when you talk about America letting a province leave because what your are proposing would make the Palestinians the equivalent of an American state, which cannot cede from the union.
Americans in these states that cannot cede are given complete and total American citizenship, including the right to vote. The Palestinians do not have these rights.
About how the Palestinians learn in school, have you not seen any videos of their schools? A movie called “Promises” shows a bit about the Palestinian schools.
Never heard of it, but if they’re math classes are like you claim, it’s all propoganda.
The problem with making the Palestinians into full citizens is that they will take control of the government and then there would be another Holocaust.
So your afraid of Democracy slapping you in face? The age of Imperialism ended with WWII, get on with the times.
Also, let us not forget that Israel obtained these areas in a defensive war, and that according to the Geneva Conventions, a country may keep territory captured in a defensive war.
If you could link me to a copy of the Geneva Convention, I could find half a dozen Israeli violations of it in the past year. And lets not forget, Israel is the only western democratic nation where torture is widespread.
Israel has been willing to negotiaite, but no matter what deal they seem to give the Palestinians, they rejected it. They got two great offers at Camp David and at Taba and they rejected them both.
Both of which would of given Israel complete Military power over the Palestinians, and at their whim they could have tanks in Ramallah, as we see now.
How can you talk about letting them cede, when they wont agree to negotiate nor do they want the part they are being offered, which all in all totals up to 100% of the territory they want.
They negociate, but since Israel kicked out their only leader to want peace, the Israelis have been negociating with guns. Is your country ignorant enough to think going into Ramallah and destroying Yassar Arafat’s compound is going to help fight terrorism? Your just giving terrorists more ammunition.
The PLO does represent the Palestinian people. It was turned into the PA, which is the Palestinians’ leadership. Yasser Arafat headed the PLO and now he heads the PA. It’s the same friendly service under a new name.
The PA has no way to Govern it’s people because every time Europeans give money and resources to build up their infrastructure, Israel destroys it.
East Jerusalem by no means belongs to the Palestinians. It was supposed to be an international city according to the original UN partition of the land but the Jordanians captured it and held it. The problem with returning it to the Palestinians is that most likely no Jews will ever be allowed to visit the holy sites there. The Jews were supposed to be allowed to visit East Jerusalem according to the 1949 cease-fire agreement with Jordan, who never kept up their end of the bargain but rather would fire on West Jerusalem. East Jerusalem is very controversial. I believe it should remain in the hands of Israel as it is now open to all people under Israeli control. Why risk it being closed off.
Simple enough, Make Jerusalem it’s own, independant, country. Like the Vatican.
BTW, the peace with Egypt is a very cold peace. At best, Israel would gain a cold peace with the Arab countries but even this is unlikely.
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The problem with making the Palestinians into full citizens is that they will take control of the government and then there would be another Holocaust.
So your afraid of Democracy slapping you in face? The age of Imperialism ended with WWII, get on with the times.
This is a bit of a bastardization of democracy in a place that isn’t ready to deal with it yet. In South Africa’s most recent election busloads of blacks were driven to “white” areas in order to out vote them (of course they would be driven back to their settlements, but not after attempting to influence the vote such that people had a representative that did not represent them). In one Canadian province the native population is exorted to reproduce so that they might overwhelm the white man in numbers so that they would get an even bigger piece of the pie come election time. Is this true democracy? Just because it does not violate the premise of democracy does not mean that it does not violate its premise. Once the area becomes stable, once people stop acting crazy, then it might be reasonable to institue wholesale democracy. At the same time, i can see there being quite a few problems for Israeli citizens in this event. It’s kind of like in Canada - having the PQ (separatists) as “her majesty’s loyal opposition”. Given enough vote splitting amoung the other parties it is not impossible to consider that they might form the next government of Canada. Democracy? Maybe.
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Yanny, you are being a hypocrite when you talk about America letting a province leave because what your are proposing would make the Palestinians the equivalent of an American state, which cannot cede from the union.
Americans in these states that cannot cede are given complete and total American citizenship, including the right to vote. The Palestinians do not have these rights.
About how the Palestinians learn in school, have you not seen any videos of their schools? A movie called “Promises” shows a bit about the Palestinian schools.
Never heard of it, but if they’re math classes are like you claim, it’s all propoganda.
The problem with making the Palestinians into full citizens is that they will take control of the government and then there would be another Holocaust.
So your afraid of Democracy slapping you in face? The age of Imperialism ended with WWII, get on with the times.
Also, let us not forget that Israel obtained these areas in a defensive war, and that according to the Geneva Conventions, a country may keep territory captured in a defensive war.
If you could link me to a copy of the Geneva Convention, I could find half a dozen Israeli violations of it in the past year. And lets not forget, Israel is the only western democratic nation where torture is widespread.
Israel has been willing to negotiaite, but no matter what deal they seem to give the Palestinians, they rejected it. They got two great offers at Camp David and at Taba and they rejected them both.
Both of which would of given Israel complete Military power over the Palestinians, and at their whim they could have tanks in Ramallah, as we see now.
How can you talk about letting them cede, when they wont agree to negotiate nor do they want the part they are being offered, which all in all totals up to 100% of the territory they want.
They negociate, but since Israel kicked out their only leader to want peace, the Israelis have been negociating with guns. Is your country ignorant enough to think going into Ramallah and destroying Yassar Arafat’s compound is going to help fight terrorism? Your just giving terrorists more ammunition.
The PLO does represent the Palestinian people. It was turned into the PA, which is the Palestinians’ leadership. Yasser Arafat headed the PLO and now he heads the PA. It’s the same friendly service under a new name.
The PA has no way to Govern it’s people because every time Europeans give money and resources to build up their infrastructure, Israel destroys it.
East Jerusalem by no means belongs to the Palestinians. It was supposed to be an international city according to the original UN partition of the land but the Jordanians captured it and held it. The problem with returning it to the Palestinians is that most likely no Jews will ever be allowed to visit the holy sites there. The Jews were supposed to be allowed to visit East Jerusalem according to the 1949 cease-fire agreement with Jordan, who never kept up their end of the bargain but rather would fire on West Jerusalem. East Jerusalem is very controversial. I believe it should remain in the hands of Israel as it is now open to all people under Israeli control. Why risk it being closed off.
Simple enough, Make Jerusalem it’s own, independant, country. Like the Vatican.
BTW, the peace with Egypt is a very cold peace. At best, Israel would gain a cold peace with the Arab countries but even this is unlikely.
fiurslty, I’ll address F_alk’s comment. I know what they learn in Israel because I know what the curriculum is ther and I know people who’ve gone to the schools there and there are no lessons on hating Arabs. The Palestinians have courses on “How to be a Shahid” which is a martyr. As for Talmud religious Jewish students, they are not learning to kill Arabs. Also, these schools are private not public. The talmud was written at least a century before Mohammed so there are no mentions of any hate toward Muslims and it is more of a law book than anything else.
Now to Yanny. You can’t give the Palestinians full citizenship because that would in turn begin a new process of terrorism in which the Palestinians would be able to do anything they like and conduct war more easily from within. They’re complaints are a front to win the sympathies of the world community. Terrorism will not end if you make them citizens nor will it end if you give them a country. These people truly do learn to kill in schools. You claim it is propoganda and then call others ignorant, well how do you assess these facts? What isn;t propoganda to you, Yanny? Are they true facts or more altered statistics and facts. I’m talking about before the siege of Yasser Arafat. The Palestinians have had offers before that they rejected. They will always find an excuse why israel’s offers are bad. Also, in 1995-6, Yasser Arafat cracked down on terrorism and it took Hamas and Islamic Jihad nearly a year to recover, and he had less forces then than he does now, so don’t talk about him not being able to do anything. Research and don’t call everything that doesnt fit what you already know propoganda.
About your comment on democracy, your claim is completely off. The majority isn’t always right. Hitler was elected by a majority but that was far fro mthe right thing to do. Do you justify the Germans’ election of him? Because there is a good chance that the next Hitler will be elected if the Palestinains are made into full citizens.
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You can’t give the Palestinians full citizenship because that would in turn begin a new process of terrorism in which the Palestinians would be able to do anything they like and conduct war more easily from within. They’re complaints are a front to win the sympathies of the world community. Terrorism will not end if you make them citizens nor will it end if you give them a country.
So, what your saying is Palestinians must be a second rate ethnic group? And you complain about the Halocaust! This is the same rhetoric that Hitler used in Nazi Germany.
These people truly do learn to kill in schools. You claim it is propoganda and then call others ignorant, well how do you assess these facts? What isn;t propoganda to you, Yanny?
If you believe that people learn math by subtracting dead Israelis, you are guilable. What isn’t propoganda? Something released from an objective third party, backed up by facts and not myth.
Are they true facts or more altered statistics and facts. I’m talking about before the siege of Yasser Arafat. The Palestinians have had offers before that they rejected. They will always find an excuse why israel’s offers are bad. Also, in 1995-6, Yasser Arafat cracked down on terrorism and it took Hamas and Islamic Jihad nearly a year to recover, and he had less forces then than he does now, so don’t talk about him not being able to do anything. Research and don’t call everything that doesnt fit what you already know propoganda.
The facts are from the Cia. It’s the source I trust the most. If you can find me a more reliable source, go ahead I’d be interested in reading it.
About your comment on democracy, your claim is completely off. The majority isn’t always right. Hitler was elected by a majority but that was far fro mthe right thing to do. Do you justify the Germans’ election of him? Because there is a good chance that the next Hitler will be elected if the Palestinains are made into full citizens.
The people of Germany were given a choice, and they made it. It may not of been a good choice, but it was made by majority vote. Now, it is likely that those elections were not entirely fair. The German people may not actually of choosen him.
The next Hitler elected because Palestinians are given the right to vote? You are kidding right? Even if every Palestinian Man, Women, and child voted for one candidate, there would still be 2 Israelis per Palestinian to cancel out that vote. More likely, the Palestinians would elect Palestinian representatives to the Israeli legistlature, which the Israelis would still hold at least 2/3s of.
The Israelis believe their race is superior to the Palestinans. News flash, your only there because of American weapons. You say all Palestinians want Israelis dead. In fact, thats only a small minority. You believe your Government too much. The Israeli Government should not be considered civilized, like America and Europe. Your Government supports torture, racism, and the ideals of Nazi Germany which you refer to so often. Innocents die every day because Israel doesn’t want to lose face.
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you’ve finally hit the nail on the head with the problem. They shouldnt be living as second class citizens, but you can’t make them full citizens and you can’t give them their own country that borders Israel. In around 20 years they will outnumber the Jews, and that’s when it will come. You’re right that not all the Palestinians are corrupt, but those who aren’t sympathize and support Arafat, their corrupt leader. This creates the problem.
You whole statements about superiority is the biggest load of garbage I have ever read in my life. If this is what the CIA has been feeding you, then you are being manipulated very easily. You are drawing conclusions and making attacks based on your own personal feelings due to your loss of a friend, which is regretable.
If Israel did not want to lose territory as you claim, she would have never returned the Sinai, which is bigger than Israel herself, back to Egypt. In the scroll of independence, there never would have been a reference to making peace wit hte Arabs. Israel never would have asked to negotiate after the Six Day War, when it got the famous 3 No’s. You are so blinded by ignorance to fact, that you now not only are taking only part of the information, but are making wild accusations. Wake up, Yanny, the Jews are not conspiring to take over the world.
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So, what your saying is Palestinians must be a second rate ethnic group? And you complain about the Halocaust! This is the same rhetoric that Hitler used in Nazi Germany.
No one is saying that they are any less of people. They are simply a group who is DEMANDING a country of their own, something that I don’t neccessarily think needs to be given into.
Same example again: Would we give the indians back their country right now?
Yanny, I might agree with you if it weren’t for the fact that Israel is not actively seeking to destroy or annihialate the Palestinian people. If you notice, anything that the IDF does is in retaliation from a terrorist attack. IF THE TERRORISM BY PALESTINIANS STOPS, THEN SO WILL THE I.D.F. INCURSIONS INTO PALESTINIAN TERRORITORY.
The Palestinians are led by a terrorist, quite simply. Currently, there are still way too many people rallying behind this mad-man becuase they think he will actually change their lives for the better. When in fact, he is only bringing more blood-shed upon himself and his people.
The Palestinians are getting “greedy” (for lack of a better word) in the sense that they have been given the opportunity to lead their own lives seperate from the Jews. Arafat was given complete control over Palestinian areas, and yet the only thing he does is try to wage more war…
Do you actually think giving in to terrorism is the correct (and most successful) solution to this INSANE situation…?
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fiurslty, I’ll address F_alk’s comment. I know what they learn in Israel because I know what the curriculum is ther and I know people who’ve gone to the schools there and there are no lessons on hating Arabs. The Palestinians have courses on “How to be a Shahid” which is a martyr. As for Talmud religious Jewish students, they are not learning to kill Arabs. Also, these schools are private not public. The talmud was written at least a century before Mohammed so there are no mentions of any hate toward Muslims and it is more of a law book than anything else.
Well, the maths example surelay was not part of that “how to hate courses”. To teach hate, you don’t need a curriculum, lessons or courses on that. For the Talmud and the Thora being old books: So, these books are then taken literally and not adapted/interpreted to new inventions? Of course it won’t mention muslims, but i can remember that once a group of these students/rabbis/whoever interprets asked R.Feynman if he could explain electricity…. all tehy wanted to hear was “is it fire or not”, so they could decide wether it is allowed to use it during Shabbat… and by the way, they did not understand him right :)…
Anyway, to teach hate, all you need is a teacher that hates: it happens in comments of the teachers, not in whole courses.About your comment on democracy, your claim is completely off. The majority isn’t always right. Hitler was elected by a majority but that was far fro mthe right thing to do. Do you justify the Germans’ election of him? Because there is a good chance that the next Hitler will be elected if the Palestinains are made into full citizens.
Hitler did not get into power because a majority voted for him. He was put into power by the president, and after an election, where communists and social democrats where imrposined, terrorized, and banned from open “competition”… even then he needed to otehr parties to support him to get a majority… and after that he destroyed what was left of the democracy.
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you’ve finally hit the nail on the head with the problem. They shouldnt be living as second class citizens, but you can’t make them full citizens and you can’t give them their own country that borders Israel. In around 20 years they will outnumber the Jews, and that’s when it will come.
Germany and France managed to become friends after two devastating wars (three wars, the first not such devastating), 75 years of hostility. All it takes is leaders with a vision from both sides. And even if one country outnumbers the other… you think the people won’t change, right? 20 years is a long time, nearly one generation… they can learn not to hate each other, just as they learn to hate each other at the moment.
You are so blinded by ignorance to fact, that you now not only are taking only part of the information, but are making wild accusations. Wake up, Yanny, the Jews are not conspiring to take over the world.
Are you so much better, do you have all the information? (i don’t claim i have all)
“Wake up, the world is not conspiring to extinguish the Jews” -
you’ve finally hit the nail on the head with the problem. They shouldnt be living as second class citizens, but you can’t make them full citizens and you can’t give them their own country that borders Israel. In around 20 years they will outnumber the Jews, and that’s when it will come. You’re right that not all the Palestinians are corrupt, but those who aren’t sympathize and support Arafat, their corrupt leader. This creates the problem
If the West Bank and Gaza are still under Israeli control in 20 years, I wouldn’t be surprized if all out war was to erupt. If Israel doesn’t do something, Hamas or another terrorist group is going to get their hands on something bigger than a bomb strapped to their chest. When people are oppressed, expect a revolution. As John Locke said “When the Government no longer protects the right’s of it’s citizens, then the people have the right to enstill a new Government”.
You whole statements about superiority is the biggest load of garbage I have ever read in my life. If this is what the CIA has been feeding you, then you are being manipulated very easily. You are drawing conclusions and making attacks based on your own personal feelings due to your loss of a friend, which is regretable.
Then why are they second class citizens? In America, all Ethnic groups can vote, all territories have the rights of he constitution. We don’t fire loose missiles into houses if we want to apprehend a criminal. We have a justice system, which I don’t see in Israel.
If Israel did not want to lose territory as you claim, she would have never returned the Sinai, which is bigger than Israel herself, back to Egypt. In the scroll of independence, there never would have been a reference to making peace wit hte Arabs. Israel never would have asked to negotiate after the Six Day War, when it got the famous 3 No’s. You are so blinded by ignorance to fact, that you now not only are taking only part of the information, but are making wild accusations.
And Ariel Sharon didn’t make peace with Egypt. The reason that peace was made was because both countries had rational leaders in power. However, Ariel Sharon is far from rational. He is digging a deeper grave for his country.
Wake up, Yanny, the Jews are not conspiring to take over the world
Did I ever say so? Only a fool (or severly misinformed) person believes that. Israelis are killing innocent people. That is my problem. Israelis killing innocent people are getting Americans killed. The Palestinian radicals cannot be excused, but we all know Israel is the only country which can stop the violence. Your country should do itself a favor, kill Arafat, so you no longer have an excuse.
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