Strong Germany Opening in Africa

[Guest]

Wad e zay?

[TG Moses VI]

Maybe SUD would like to explain it against to patient listeners? :)

[GeZe]

maybe bid 2 trannys of italy and then buy a tranny and a sub to protect?

[TG Moses VI]

bid 2 trannys of italy

Sorry… could you run that through to me again? :)

[GeZe]

nothing, I screwed up :oops:

[benlessard]

Here is my germ moves with 6-9 bids rr bid in Libya

purchases : bomber+5 infs or 10 infs

Egypt with 5(6) infs+ tanks (i hope to have at least 5units)

Spain sub vs eUsa tranny

fighter vs Lab tranny

sub+tranny +4fig+bomber VS north sea

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main differences are …

I didnt buy a blocker. But since ive bought a bomber and killed (i hope) the USA tranny he will need to send the BB to north sea if he want to have a carrier on uk1.

I have a good shot at killing the us tranny (preventing Algeria on US 1 wich im sure is a bad move anyway)

For Labrador I could send the bomb instead of the figther but i think its sligthly superior the other way around.

I think that sometimes the 2nd germ tranny is useless but that my extra bomb can be trade for Russian IPC by strat bomb them.

Benoit Lessard

[benlessard]

Part 2

My fleet battle are a bit riskier and i dont save 2 finland infs too often. But chance are great that UK wont buy fleet on turn 1. 2Bomb +5 fighter VS carr bb+tranny+2fighter is a good battle.

Im not forced to do Caucasus(1inf+1tank is the way to do it – not 3infs) because i do not have a tranny in Cmed.On the downside i dont have 2 extra men in Africa.

Basically it show 2 different type of Africa games. 1 – taking it cheap but loose it later (my style)

2-- take it and keep it (2 tranny+send as much as you can in Africa)

Problem with type 1 is that germ will be down to 28 IPC in a couple of round

Problem with type 2 is that there is not enough units on the Europe front wich mean that EE is likely to fall into allies hand early.

Note that EE in allies hand is adequate compensation for Africa.

Benoit Lessard

[wehrmacht]

One prob I have understanding this discussion is how you still have the Germ Baltic fleet to factor in on G1. The Russians have never left me one! They always hit with sub, tran & fighter from Karelia.

[Guest]

It’s usually Russia Restricted that’s talked of here. If Russia is allowed an aggressive Turn1, then the game is more or less over from the start anyway.

[wehrmacht]

Ahh….!
Just when I was starting to think the only good German was a dead German - and they all seem to be good!

[Yanny]

SUD, it wasn’t that you weren’t Articulate, just my small mind cannot process that much information without short breaks :)

[Commisar Adam]

I think that the best thing to do is to take the battleship and the transport in south africa and hammer egypt.take two inf. in the transport so that the battleship gets its free shot. alo send the 1 inf next to egypt and the tank. you will probably decimate GB and have a good start in africa :wink:

[GeZe]

are you talking germany or UK doing this?

[Guest]

I meant the battleship and transport in southern europe and it is germany that is attacking egypt so that you can get the free battlship shot, 1 armor, And 3 Inf agains the UKs 1 Inf & 1 Armor, which=UK gettin thrashed in africa with little or no retaliatory force. (they may try something with thier india troops but thats just delaying the inevitable doom of africa AND giving up india to japan without a fight!)

also, someone previously stated that you should bring the germany transportdown in the non-combat moves with 2 inf to support africa, well what you do is first turn make sure that all the UK naval units are dead, then in turn 2 you take the transport off the coast of western africa with one inf and take brazil !BAM! thats 3 free IPCs that will take a while for the US to get back, but they probably wont do anything about it because they have other things to worry about

these are the teachings of Commissar Adam 8)

[GeZe]

ahhhhhhh. nice strat

[Guest]

Hey thanks for the Props 8)

I also have some nasty tank and inf strategies (really sick stuff)
How To Fight a Conservitave Landwar as Gemany or Russia
this is what you do, pump out mass inf each turn and create a conga line of stacks going to your enemy. When you have this stack all your tanks on one spot. Then you can start attacking. You attack with the whole bunch and inflict many casualties with the armor and take the hits on your inf (duh). As soon as it looks like you will be taking tanks of RETREAT!!! Even if you are about to take the territory. this may seem strange but leaving your armor by itself is very vulnerable to counter-attack (and you dont want to have to replace that armor(especially russia)). your goal is not to immediately take the land, no no, it is to cripple its counter attack forces. After your enemies defenses are thin enough you then take it with your safely preserved tanks and the next mound of inf 8) . This is an effective conservitve offense and for all those peoplewho emphisise on defense (it gives you that warm sense of security) :wink:

These are the teachings of Commissar Adam 8)

[Guest]

I might even consider hitting your BB and trannie on UK 1 with the FTR and BMR and land whatever is left in Syria with 3 INF (2 from India via TRN). As soon as I got the German TRN I would retreat what was left. As an added bonus I would fly my 2 FTRs from UK to CAU as well. US 1 hits the 1 INF in West Africa, UK 2 hits Egypt with 2-3 FTRs, 1 BMR and 4 INF and by the end of UK 2 all German forces have been wiped clean of the continent and no way to get anything back over.

1 FTR might be a fair trade to take out a German TRN depending. And 2 IPCs and a post card of the pyramids doesn’t seem to balance out losing Africa in your first turn.

As for the carnival cruise to Brazil I agree with SUD that the second you peak your head out from Gibraltar it would be taken clean off. That would not stop me from highly recommending it to you if you were playing against me. . . .

These are the ramblings of me.

[GeZe]

I think it would be better to put all that force defending russia instead of forcing germany out of africa

[Guest]

you guys do know that they were talking about the tranny from gemany’s northern side ?

also the syria/iraq sub starts south of the canal and if germany takes egypt G1 then it cannot go through because you must own both sides of a canal to travel through :-?

[Guest]

Um, no. Can’t speak for SUD but I was not talking about Germany’s northern transport. I was speaking of the Geman transport in the South East Med Sea Zone. You know, the one doing the transporting of troops to Africa. The vital one. The pain in the ass. Oops. Sorry, CC, hope ass was censored

Um, no. I believe or atleast I have always played that the UK sub starts in the EMed SZ. I can’t imagine any UK player wanting it anywhere else but maybe I’m just not imaginative enough.

Geze, I believe - depending on circumstances - that Russia is perfectly capable of handling itself in the first 2 rounds. Anything Germany can throw against 19+ INF and 2 FTRs G1 and 27+, 2 FTRs G2 seems to me to doom Germany to an early Keg Stand (hosue rules for losing - actually those are the house rules for any type of punishment, we’re what you would call “mature”. No, wait, that’s “Immature”, sorry) I digress.

It would be something to think on or get a second opinion from your partners but I might attack that EMED TRN, that’s the one in the South East Sea Zone for those of you keeping score at home :wink: , and I think getting Germany out of Africa before they even have a chance is a pretty powerful blow, especially so early. Well worth making the Ruskies a little nervous.

Now if you’ll excuse me I have a keg stand to do - I forgot to take out the garbage.