• I like free healthcare, but the only problem is the people who abuse it and use it for stupid things like stubbed toes. The waiting can be horrendously long. Several hours just in the express line.


  • @EmuGod:

    I like free healthcare, but the only problem is the people who abuse it and use it for stupid things like stubbed toes. The waiting can be horrendously long. Several hours just in the express line.

    not enough family physicians means people go to the ER for these little things.
    And don’t get me started on the price of bringing someone in from Swan River to Winnipeg for a tummy ache that disappears in a couple of hours blah blah blah.


  • Well said, c_c_, well said!

    Our system has too many specialists,
    trains too many foreigners and then allows them to stay, instead of sending them home where they are needed,
    free health care for illegal immigrants,
    excessive unnecessary insurance in many cases such as
    accident insurance, cancer insurance, dental insurance, and
    too much ignorance…

    I think interns should spend two years overseas to become familiar with diseases uncommon in developed healthier countries. This would benefit the poorer nations and makes the civilized nations a little more so. :D - Xi


  • Two words: Brain Drain.


  • T_6,
    in response to what post?

    We pledge our full and unconditional
    cooperation in the spirit of peace. :evil: :wink: - Xi


  • Our system has too many specialists,
    trains too many foreigners and then allows them to stay, instead of sending them home where they are needed,
    free health care for illegal immigrants,
    excessive unnecessary insurance in many cases such as
    accident insurance, cancer insurance, dental insurance, and
    too much ignorance…

    This one.


  • This is one subject in which I find myself more L(expletive deleted)L than I would like. However, I believe we take the best other countries send, train them, and keep them. We BRAIN DRAIN the world in that way. But I know a couple of doctors(Amerikanskis) who spent time overseas, came back and found cases they “would not have recognized” had they not been abroad[their words, not mine]. That’s my experience, though, not yours, so we’re all entitled . . . - Xi

    “Today we can declare: Government is not the problem,
    and government is not the solution.
    We, the American people, we are the solution.”

    • William Jefferson Clinton, :roll: , If he only meant it!

  • So what seems to be the problem?


  • i think Xi is being a little less “Amerocentric” than you are, TG. The fact is that America benefits/profits from the Brain Drain of almost every other country, especially Canada. We lose our best and brightest engineers, computer programmers, physicians, etc. to America yearly. Canada may benefit from a brain drain of other nations, however not nearly as much in the medical sector as we recognise VERY few residency programs outside of Canada as most are considered inferior (including America, India, Britain etc.). This means that we have few qualified physicians replacing the ones drained to America.


  • If you have a bold plan to convince American doctors to defect, I’m all ears. No one is forcing them to come here - it is according to their own will. Also we in the States already have a shortage of qualified doctors, and with the amount of trainning required, importing brains is often needed. Plus since Americans are considered ignorant - you may say the brain drain is almost necessary.


  • It sounds as though the US is a veritable mental vacuum.


  • That’s good. More smart people for me! :D


  • The AMA (or whoever is in charge of this) has set quotas on the # of Drs. that will be graduated each year. It keeps the $ where and how the specialists want it(a lot in their pockets.)

    Doctors, lawyers and politicians. (expletive deleted)! At least with politicians, we can vote them out of office. Too bad we don’t every chance we get(term limits are a GREAT idea, since all politicians are bad, EXCEPT OURS)! - Xi


  • Seriously? There are not even enough doctors to fill the demand.


  • @TG:

    Seriously? There are not even enough doctors to fill the demand.

    and you can imagine that if the States is having this problem, then Canada - a nation still not graduating enough doctors merely to meet the demand, yet hemorrhaging them to the States is in line for a little more trouble.


  • It will be hard even to find enough doctors without this AMA restriction. Not that many people are willing to invest so much money and effort - even for a large salary (though in US, many doctors are paid very low).


  • @TG:

    It will be hard even to find enough doctors without this AMA restriction. Not that many people are willing to invest so much money and effort - even for a large salary (though in US, many doctors are paid very low).

    large salary - it’s not just about money, but lifestyle. If a doctor can move from Canada to the US, make the same KIND of money (i.e. maintain a certain standard of living) by working less than half as many hours, and pay fewer taxes, then many of them may do that.
    Canadian physicians also enjoy higher status in the US than here much of the time - including better research positions, heads of departments, etc. Due to our training the US is fertile ground for the upwardly mobile.


  • A high percentage of Americans doctors are not worth the money their charging.


  • Yeah, sometimes you have to deal with it.


  • @Mr:

    A high percentage of Americans doctors are not worth the money their charging.

    reminds me of a funny story:
    A friend of mine - an ER and intensive care doctor - occassionally moonlights as a family physician doing locums (i.e. filling in) for other family doc’s. One day an American woman comes in for a regional exam (basically just a run-of-the-mill medical complaint). At this time, the Canadian tariff (or fee) for a regional was around $15.85 Canadian - just around $10.00 US.
    You can see it coming, can’t you . . .
    He asks her for the $10.00 and she turns and asks him “are you sure you’re a real doctor?”
    Since then he routinely bills Americans $100.00 - just so he looks like a legitimate physician.
    (sorry if this isn’t funny - i didn’t lie - i laughed at the time he told it . . . maybe because of his delivery . . . )

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