Bear in mind the quality of these pieces is very high, people.
I’m fine with $30 per nation.
Bear in mind the quality of these pieces is very high, people.
I’m fine with $30 per nation.
Well maybe you are, but I doubt many people will want to pay that much. It’s only plastic. FMG doesn’t have to try to recover the mold costs in such few sales. Instead they should make them more affordable and recover the cost over the long haul and ensure a continuing interest in their product.
Well, maybe there should be a 1-month “introductory price” for ~$30-40, after which the price drops to ~$20, and everyone who orders at the “introductory price” will be helping to pave the way for the next set(s), and then when the sets are finally finished, the folk who paid the “introductory price” can get the last set or 2 for free.
Another thought would be, that since several people want to help get this project moving right along, so maybe you could price individual sets for ~$19.99, but go ahead and let people order “complete sets” but paying money up front (like ~$50 for the first 3 country sets or ~$100 for the “complete” 6-country set. Then when the sets are released, then just ship them right out to the folks who already paid for them.
Just a couple of thooughts.
@Brain:
Bear in mind the quality of these pieces is very high, people.
I’m fine with $30 per nation.
Well maybe you are, but I doubt many people will want to pay that much. It’s only plastic. FMG doesn’t have to try to recover the mold costs in such few sales. Instead they should make them more affordable and recover the cost over the long haul and ensure a continuing interest in their product.
While that would be ideal, without recovering costs of the initial set (Italy) there would be no funds to continue with the next set, and so on. Each set will fund the next. FMG is not a big company with tons of money to throw out up front in the hopes of eventually recovering it.
@Brain:
Bear in mind the quality of these pieces is very high, people.
I’m fine with $30 per nation.
Well maybe you are, but I doubt many people will want to pay that much. It’s only plastic. FMG doesn’t have to try to recover the mold costs in such few sales. Instead they should make them more affordable and recover the cost over the long haul and ensure a continuing interest in their product.
While that would be ideal, without recovering costs of the initial set (Italy) there would be no funds to continue with the next set, and so on. Each set will fund the next. FMG is not a big company with tons of money to throw out up front in the hopes of eventually recovering it.
This is SPOT ON. We need to continue the funding of the project. If it takes us a YEAR to recover costs on ITALY than GERMANY will be delayed that long. We need these to be released in quick succession one after the other.
You may say “30 bucks is a little to much”… but its not your company / Job / House on the line investing in this product.
i will pay what it takes. just make these units. if money is a problem, just sell your house, car etc… problem solved.
i will pay what it takes. just make these units. if money is a problem, just sell your house, car etc… problem solved.
Very funny!
I’m very much interested in new pieces. I recently purchased Pac 40 9just last month) and was very dismayed with lack of Japanese Bombers, paper IPC’s, dice, and the battle board, and paper tokens didn’t help either. I have recently found FMG’s website and am very excited about any possibility of newly molded pieces. Any more info on release date, or pre-order info? Are these new pieces still coming? when can we expect to get an update? I have Europe 40 on pre-order through FMG’s as well as a wooded Dice Tower and combat dice set. Will the new team dice (Anzac, and French) be released soon, or with Europe 40 in late August? Any news update would be much appreciated. Thank you FMG for making this possible (crosses finger). WOTC surely need to pass the reins to FMG.
You may say “30 bucks is a little to much”… but its not your company / Job / House on the line investing in this product.
I understand where you are coming from, it’s your business to run as you please, but you may be pricing yourself out of the market, sure there are people that will pay $30, but there are probably a lot of sales that are going to be lost from people who are unwilling to pay that price, but who would pay a lower price. The cost of the plastic is pennies so any sale is going to help recover the mold cost.
Also imagine if I wanted to create a game to sell and I wanted to use FMG pieces. By the time I bought all 8 nations and the accesory pieces I would have to sell that game for over $300. I don’t think I would find many takers.
@Brain:
You may say “30 bucks is a little to much”… but its not your company / Job / House on the line investing in this product.
I understand where you are coming from, it’s your business to run as you please, but you may be pricing yourself out of the market, sure there are people that will pay $30, but there are probably a lot of sales that are going to be lost from people who are unwilling to pay that price, but who would pay a lower price. The cost of the plastic is pennies so any sale is going to help recover the mold cost.
Also imagine if I wanted to create a game to sell and I wanted to use FMG pieces. By the time I bought all 8 nations and the accesory pieces I would have to sell that game for over $300. I don’t think I would find many takers.
I fully understand your point. We will be able to DRASTICALLY lower the price once all the Nations are complete AND all production costs have been met. Until that time we will have to price in such a way that keeps the project moving forward.
Interest in this project HERE and Elsewhere has been overwhelming so I am fairly confident they will sell.
From the proceeding post, I take it that the project is a ways from completion, even for one nation?
From the proceeding post, I take it that the project is a ways from completion, even for one nation?
Italy is near completion. The rest can’t really go forward until Italy starts to sell.
@Brain:
You may say “30 bucks is a little to much”… but its not your company / Job / House on the line investing in this product.
I understand where you are coming from, it’s your business to run as you please, but you may be pricing yourself out of the market, sure there are people that will pay $30, but there are probably a lot of sales that are going to be lost from people who are unwilling to pay that price, but who would pay a lower price. The cost of the plastic is pennies so any sale is going to help recover the mold cost.
Also imagine if I wanted to create a game to sell and I wanted to use FMG pieces. By the time I bought all 8 nations and the accesory pieces I would have to sell that game for over $300. I don’t think I would find many takers.
Ok let’s use some hypothetical scenarios.
$9000 in costs to create one nation @ $30 per set (let’s say the actual molding costs are nil) = 300 sets MUST sell before they can start with Germany.
$9000 in costs @ $20 per set = 450 sets MUST sell
$9000 in costs @ $15 per set = 600 sets Must sell
Every decrease in sale price could concievably mean weeks or MONTHS of waiting for the next set to even get started. Months of waiting would equate to less interest in further nations … less interest in further nations would mean less sales and a complete failure of the project. I’d rather the project continue to complete all nations than stall or fail because they priced it too low to continue in a decent amount of time.
If $30 is too much for some people, I imagine those people are going to have to wait. I’ve also noticed far too many people talking about price in relation to getting extra pieces by just buying another copy of 1942 or something. For those people all I have to say is this project is not for you. This is for those who want more variety and higher quality, not just extra pieces. Those who truely want better pieces will pay for it for sure.
Do I think $30 is too much per nation personally? Yes. Would I try to tell them to sell for less. No. FMG will have to figure out total cost, potential sales, how long they figure those sales will recoup the costs so they can continue the project without pissing everyone off with more wait time … it’s a massive balancing act that I do not envy.
$240 for the complete set of eight nations… well, unless I’m renting them back to players for the duration of the game, this is dead in the water from my perspective… even with the nation-a-year instalment plan.
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Dude if you cant save 240$in a period of lets say 18 months, you must be doing something wrong. Ill probably buy 3 sets, and Im not a milllionare or anything close, Ill just wont go out one time a month. Have you seen Michigan toys prices? They sell 60 inf pieces for 21.99 or r 30 for about 12-14. At 30 each set with all the extras is still a great deal. Personally i wont buy for the inf sculpts, but all the other one that cant find in such detail.
Dude if you cant save 240$in a period of lets say 18 months, you must be doing something wrong.
I’m sorry dude. Did I say I couldn’t save $240?
However IMTO surveying my various vices, I can think of numerous other things that that very same $240 can be spent on that will - pound for pound - provide more pleasure than replacing bland albeit serviceable OOB game components.
Affordability of any commodity is, after all, a matter of answering “what am I getting for my dollar”.
In this case, I don’t get enough game time to justify paying more for slick components than the complete ugly games cost.
Pity, I know.
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@Brain:
Also imagine if I wanted to create a game to sell and I wanted to use FMG pieces. By the time I bought all 8 nations and the accesory pieces I would have to sell that game for over $300. I don’t think I would find many takers.
If you were creating a game to sell you would enter into a negotiated agreement to purchase a minimum quantity of pieces (say, 100 sets) at a discounted price, just as any other company would do. Nobody who is creating something to sell in any quantity pays full retail price.
Of course, debating price is a moot point to be honest at this point. FMG will sell for what FMG has calculated they must sell at in order to get on to the next set as quickly as possible. Will it be $30 per set for every set? Or will the price drop slowly as each set is produced (For example, after selling Italy sets they will know how many sets will sell at that price in x amount of time and can adjust the Germany pricing accordingly to say $25 … and then the next set at $23, and on and on until all 8 nations are out and available at some averaged out price)?
@Yoper:
I am sorry that this might make the majority mad, but I don’t see how FMG can make these sets for anything under $40 a set. More like $50.
Once you put together how many pieces that will come in each set and the fact that this is being done in relatively small batches, I can’t see anything like what you are all clamoring for.
So $50 for 171 pieces….
26 Infantry
12 Artillery
12 Armour
12 Fighters
9 Bombers
12 Submarines
12 Destroyers
9 Cruisers
6 Battleships
6 Aircraft Carriers
12 Transports
6 Bunkers / Pill Boxes
3 Commander Units
12 Half tracks
12 Trucks
3 Task Force Markers (Like Pacific)
3 ********* Special Surprise
Which gives us $400 total… hmmm best of luck FMG but I fold.
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Well, I love this game so much that I’m “IN” regardless. Thank you FMG.
So $50 for 171 pieces….
26 Infantry
12 Artillery
12 Armour
12 Fighters
9 Bombers
12 Submarines
12 Destroyers
9 Cruisers
6 Battleships
6 Aircraft Carriers
12 Transports
6 Bunkers / Pill Boxes
3 Commander Units
12 Half tracks
12 Trucks
3 Task Force Markers (Like Pacific)
3 ********* Special SurpriseWhich gives us $400 total… hmmm best of luck FMG but I fold.
To be fair, that list isn’t near correct. You’re not including Tac Bombers or Air Transports/Med Bombers or the fact that the armour includes 2 types (hopefully not 6 each, cause then we have AAP40 all over again with the freaking Tacs).
Also, bunkers/pill boxes and task force markers truly don’t need to be nation specific and I would hope FMG doesn’t delay, or add cost to the italian set by including those at this point, especially as he’s indicated plans to mold major/minor factories, air bases, naval bases, and AA guns to replace the cardboard and I’m not including the special surprise, because whatever the surprise is, it’s probably not what we’re paying for. In addition, the original plan was not 8 nations, but 6 - the project was for AA50, not AA1940 global. We’ll most likely see AA50 completed before they move onto ANZAC & China (and china might very well be a much smaller set of units). So “only” a $300 investment ;) plus another $30ish for the factories, bases, markers, etc.
So, a list revision of possibly:
26 Infantry
12 Artillery
12 Armor #1
12 Armor #2
12 Fighters
12 Tac Bombers
9 Bombers
9 Air Transports/Med Bombers
12 Submarines
12 Destroyers
9 Cruisers
6 Battleships
6 Aircraft Carriers
12 Transports
3 Commander Units
12 Half tracks
12 Trucks
For a total of 188. But at $50 for Italy, that’s over 26 cents per piece, and that also puts it beyond my budget for a game I haven’t played in 8 months because the only friend of mine who enjoyed the game moved to the east coast, so I feel your pain.
