Jews are on the top of society. Don’t complain, there are 10x more laws protecting a Jew than protect me. What ever happened to equal rights? Affirmative action type laws/Organizations have ruined my rights.
It’s typical Anti-semitism. Jews have been suffering from it for thousands of years, it doesn’t go away that easily.
No offence here, but give me a break!
There are people suffering all over the world from all sorts of atrocities.
Why is there always a foucs on Isarel?
The problems in Isarel warrents no more attention than iusses in Africa or Tibet.
I mean, come on……the poor poor Jews, pleeeease.
@Mr:
It’s typical Anti-semitism. Jews have been suffering from it for thousands of years, it doesn’t go away that easily.
No offence here, but give me a break!
There are people suffering all over the world from all sorts of atrocities.
Why is there always a foucs on Isarel?The problems in Isarel warrents no more attention than iusses in Africa or Tibet.
I mean, come on……the poor poor Jews, pleeeease.
Firstly, the focus on Israel is a negative one and the problems of Israel do warrant more attention than issues in Africa or Tibet for one major reason. Despite the horrible atrocities in these places, no one has their heart set out on wiping out the Tibetans or the Africans. But there is a huge feeling of anti-semitism toward the Jews and even today, the Jews are under the threat of genocide that none of the peoples you mentioned are.
@Mr:
It’s typical Anti-semitism. Jews have been suffering from it for thousands of years, it doesn’t go away that easily.
No offence here, but give me a break!
There are people suffering all over the world from all sorts of atrocities.
Why is there always a foucs on Isarel?The problems in Isarel warrents no more attention than iusses in Africa or Tibet.
I mean, come on……the poor poor Jews, pleeeease.
Firstly, the focus on Israel is a negative one and the problems of Israel do warrant more attention than issues in Africa or Tibet for one major reason. Despite the horrible atrocities in these places, no one has their heart set out on wiping out the Tibetans or the Africans. But there is a huge feeling of anti-semitism toward the Jews and even today, the Jews are under the threat of genocide that none of the peoples you mentioned are.
As a Mennonite, i find the history of the Jews fascinating (i think my sister is looking to become a “Christian Jew” - don’t ask). Although our history of Persecution is shorter and based more on faith than race, i can certainly sympathize with the Jewish plight - continually chased from one country to another with no place to call home . . . government/church leaders’ persecution (and attempted genocide).
Of course the Jews are a powerful people, however. Israel is in a position to kick just about any 1-2 countries’ in the middle easts asses. And they have throughout history set themselves apart by unmatched performences in the sporting, artistic, scientific and philosophical fields (love that Martin Buber (sp) guy), having attained high govenment positions all over the show. Plus they have (finally/now) powerful allies in the west.
So yeah Ghoul, you’re right - there is a lot of suffering all over the world. Much of it is due to a misfortune in geography and/or time, but its not so often that these other people are targetted quite so much as the Jews have been historically (and even today as was previously pointed out, in various offensive websites and klan meetings etc.). Does this mean that they should have extra/special rights? Of course not. At the same time, i think that we should be a little more sensitive to what is going on in the world with regards to anti-semitism, as well as other racial attacks (see: Gypsies, Mennonites - less in Canada these days - Arabs, etc.).
Israel isn’t all innocent and cheerful. We just don’t see the images of Palestinians being shot by Israeli Tanks. Israel keeps a tight rope on it’s Media.
@Mr:
It’s typical Anti-semitism. Jews have been suffering from it for thousands of years, it doesn’t go away that easily.
No offence here, but give me a break!
There are people suffering all over the world from all sorts of atrocities.
Why is there always a foucs on Isarel?The problems in Isarel warrents no more attention than iusses in Africa or Tibet.
I mean, come on……the poor poor Jews, pleeeease.
Firstly, the focus on Israel is a negative one and the problems of Israel do warrant more attention than issues in Africa or Tibet for one major reason. Despite the horrible atrocities in these places, no one has their heart set out on wiping out the Tibetans or the Africans. But there is a huge feeling of anti-semitism toward the Jews and even today, the Jews are under the threat of genocide that none of the peoples you mentioned are.
No, your wrong the situation does not deserve more attention than other world iusses.
Claiming that it does perpetuates the problems there further.
Hmm, no one seems to have commented on the link I posted.
Israel isn’t all innocent and cheerful. We just don’t see the images of Palestinians being shot by Israeli Tanks. Israel keeps a tight rope on it’s Media.
You mean you want the already Pro-Palestinian media to show thigns tha haven’t happened? A reporter on CNN already made an anti-Israel comment. Lots of the footage CNN shows is wrong, such as the man entering his house at gun point, where he claimed he was being used as a human shield. To believe this pro-Palestinian propoganda makes you very gullible, IMO. The man being showed as a “human shield” said that the IDF took the birds in his pet shop, cut off their heads and put them back in their cages. How can yo ubelieve this man? He obviously has problems if he’s claiming that a professional defence force on a mission to root out terrorists has nothing better to do than to neatly take out the brids in his pet shop, neatly chop off their heads and neatly put them back in their cages. Such things do not happen in war zones.
As for Israeli media, I can clearly tell you have no idea what you’re tlaking about. In the Israeli media, there are fierce arguements between left and right wing Israelis on the subject and they each try to come up with solutions to the problem. Many of the things you see in hte media showing “Israel’s aggression” are far from accurate. They are creations of the media in an attempt to lure you to their side, in the case of stations such as CNN and the BBC, the Palestinian side. The media is very biased against Israel. Look at Time Magazine for example. There was one called “All Boxed in” with a picture of Arafat on the cover. It made him look like an innocent sheep, which he is far frm being, innocent that is. THey had an articlewhere they “showed” how both sides mourn. It was a fold out page. Talk abut propoganda, the picture of the Palestinians boy walking up blood drenched stairs took up more than 3 quarters of the page while the Israeli father grieving for his son who died in a suicide bombing took up a very samll portion of the page. This is in order to draw you to the Palestinian boy and to his cause.
And you want MORE of this pro-Palestinian propoganda? If you honestly believe that the media is “unbiased” right now, then you are exactly where it wants you to be.
Oh, you want to talk Media? The American Media is severely shifted toward Israel. Ever read those little tickers at the bottom of the screen? I don’t see Palestinian death counts there.
Let me tell you how the Israel media gets all it’s footage from the front lines. First, they get set up with a squad to follow. They do their military thing, the cameras capture it all. However, before the film can be brought to the studio, it must be censored by the Israel military. I’ll let you guess what they censor out.
And you know something, it’s entirely the US’s fault. We should never of given such an irresponsible state weapons like that. Thats the reason your there. Ak-47s and RPGs can’t stand up against F-16s and tanks. The reasons we got involved in this are those weapons. If we didn’t give them the largest aid package of any country, we wouldn’t have this terrorist problem.
You talk of anti-semitism. It doesn’t have much to do with Religion. The two opposing groups just happen to be of conflicting religions. If Christrians had done the same thing in the 1940s, the same result would of happened.
Heres an analogy I once gave my teacher 3 years ago on how I felt. You just came back from a year away from school (don’t ask me where you were). You look for a place to sit down for lunch. Your usual table has been taken over by a group of people you hate. But you still want that seat. Do you get your seat back? Israel pushed Palestine out of the seat so it could get back in.
Oh, you want to talk Media? The American Media is severely shifted toward Israel. Ever read those little tickers at the bottom of the screen? I don’t see Palestinian death counts there.
Let me tell you how the Israel media gets all it’s footage from the front lines. First, they get set up with a squad to follow. They do their military thing, the cameras capture it all. However, before the film can be brought to the studio, it must be censored by the Israel military. I’ll let you guess what they censor out.
And you know something, it’s entirely the US’s fault. We should never of given such an irresponsible state weapons like that. Thats the reason your there. Ak-47s and RPGs can’t stand up against F-16s and tanks. The reasons we got involved in this are those weapons. If we didn’t give them the largest aid package of any country, we wouldn’t have this terrorist problem.
You talk of anti-semitism. It doesn’t have much to do with Religion. The two opposing groups just happen to be of conflicting religions. If Christrians had done the same thing in the 1940s, the same result would of happened.
Heres an analogy I once gave my teacher 3 years ago on how I felt. You just came back from a year away from school (don’t ask me where you were). You look for a place to sit down for lunch. Your usual table has been taken over by a group of people you hate. But you still want that seat. Do you get your seat back? Israel pushed Palestine out of the seat so it could get back in.
of course it could be argued that those “bullies” had just recovered from having the s**t kicked out of them by other bullies and they themselves were just returning to their “rightful place”.
This is too complicated to try to make it seem so simple. We try to look at both the large (historical) and small (terrorist attacks and retaliations etc.) and make one guy the bad guy and the other the not-so-bad guy. The approaches to discussing the issues are often far too simple.
What I really find stupid is with the Israelis of the 1940s (now is a different matter). They thought they had a right to the land purely because they ansestors 2000 years ago lived there.
Now, its different. Now you have a right to be there. But you don’t have the right to act like a King over his people.
Hmm, no one seems to have commented on the link I posted.
I did read it, actually. I don’t know what to make of it either. It sounds a little made up/the remnants of a bad acid trip, but if its true, it’s quite interesting.
Oh yeah, and you have to be prepared to watch your topix get sidelined (one of mine was actually locked through no fault of mine :) )
I locked one of your topics? Which one? bad memory
Oh, you want to talk Media? The American Media is severely shifted toward Israel. Ever read those little tickers at the bottom of the screen? I don’t see Palestinian death counts there.
Let me tell you how the Israel media gets all it’s footage from the front lines. First, they get set up with a squad to follow. They do their military thing, the cameras capture it all. However, before the film can be brought to the studio, it must be censored by the Israel military. I’ll let you guess what they censor out.
And you know something, it’s entirely the US’s fault. We should never of given such an irresponsible state weapons like that. Thats the reason your there. Ak-47s and RPGs can’t stand up against F-16s and tanks. The reasons we got involved in this are those weapons. If we didn’t give them the largest aid package of any country, we wouldn’t have this terrorist problem.
You talk of anti-semitism. It doesn’t have much to do with Religion. The two opposing groups just happen to be of conflicting religions. If Christrians had done the same thing in the 1940s, the same result would of happened.
Heres an analogy I once gave my teacher 3 years ago on how I felt. You just came back from a year away from school (don’t ask me where you were). You look for a place to sit down for lunch. Your usual table has been taken over by a group of people you hate. But you still want that seat. Do you get your seat back? Israel pushed Palestine out of the seat so it could get back in.
I didn’t want to do this. But it’s time I do. Time to bring out the big book of quotations, and Yanny, you won’t be so happy.
Firstly, there was always a continuous Jewish presence in the land of Israel, not the mass immigration you make it out to be. The Arabs living there knew that there were JEws living there, particularly in Jerusalem, that’s East Jerusalem. The Jews living there were oppressed people by the Arabs living there (Dhimmis).
“His right derived from time immorial in his family, to enter Jewish houses, and take toll or contributions at any time without gviing account.”
-British consul, 1858
Secondly, Israel has always been the Jewish spiritual centre. I won’t bother quoting the Bible, but enjoy these two quotations.
“If I forget thee, Jerusalem, may my right hand lose its cunning” (Psalm 137)
“Ten measures of beauty were given to the world, nine were taken by Jerusalem and one by all the rest” (Talmud, Kiddushin)
Thirdly, Palestine was never an Arab nation, despite these new claims by the Palestinians. The people living in Mandate Palestine referred to themselves as Palestinian Jews or Palestinian Arabs but did not consider Palestine a nationality.
“There is no such country, ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.”
-Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, in a meeting with the British Peel Commission, 1937.
The Palestinians never complained or requested independence from Jordan or Egypt, when their lives were worse off than today. The Palestinian people are the Arabs’ new weapon against Israel.
“Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a NEW tool in the continuing battle against Israel…”
-Zuheir Muhsin, PLO Military Department head and member of the PLO Executive Council, March 1977.
By the way, this mass JEwish immigration you speak of never happened. Through out the British control over the land, the British issued white papers that limited Jewish immigration. THe Arab immigration exceeded Jewish immigration throughout the period. This quote comes straight from your home, Yanny.
“Arab immigration into Palestine since 1921 has vastly exceeded the total Jewish immigration during this whole period…”
-President Roosevelt, 1939.
Next, the Arabs invaded Israel on the day after it was created before there was a refugee issue to complain of. Their goal was another Holocaust.
“This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades”
-General Azzam Pasha, Arab League Secretary, 1948.
“I declare a holy war, my Moslem borthers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!”
-Haj Amin Al Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, 1948.
By the way, the Jews never fought pure offensive combat in the wars, especially in the War of Independence. Israel only retaliated against hte Arabs for attacks against Jews.
“The Jews haven’t attacked any Arab village, unless attacked first.”
-Ismayil Safwat, Commander of Palestinian Operations, March, 1948.
The Jews also never kicked out the Palestinians. The Arabs in the Arab countries called upon them to leave so that they could make room for invading Arab armies.
“We brought destruction upon the [Palestinian] refugees, by calling on them to leave their homes.”
-Khaled al-Azam, Syrian Prime Minister in 1949 (memoirs, 1973)
Another important thing to remember is that ISrael was willing to negotiate and return all the captured lands after the Six Day War. But the Arabs refused. This was the first time in history that the victor of a war offered the loser a peaceful settlement to the conflict and the loser decided to keep on fighting.
“No peace, no negotiations, no recognition”
-Official joint Arab response to negotiations in the Khartoum Conference, August 1, 1967
The real cause of the violence is the basic refusal of any non-Arab, non-Muslim country in the Middle East by the Arabs.
“peace with Israek is permissible only on condition that it is a temporary peace, until the Moslems build up the [military] strength needed to expel the Jews.”
-Sheikh Abdel Aziz Bin-Baz, Islamic Mufti of Saudi Arabia, 1995.
“The Oslo Accords were a Trojan horse; the strategic goal is the liberation of Palestine from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea”
-Faysal Al-Husseini, Palestinian Authority Minister for Jerusalem Affairs, in Al-Arabi daily newspaper (Egypt), June 24, 2001.
I haven’t even gotten started aobut thigns such as East Jerusalem, but I cna keep on going if you like. By the way, about your whole arguement about ISraeli media, don’t make me laugh. I know people who work in the Israeli media and my parents served in the IDF. They know how it works.
About your idea of anti-semitism, Anti-Semitism means hate agaisnt the JEws. I can explain to you exactly what its roots are if you like, but it means hatred against Jews. which involved the Jewish religion.
Here’s the real analogy for you. Your school has very few people who attend it. It is very dirty and not taken care of (like Israel was before the Jewish immigration). You know of a strange group of people who are very few in number but that you hate and have hated for years. You attack them frequently. More of your students enter the school than of them. Suddenly, they are allowed to come in and you do nothing about it. They buy parts of the school from the school board (the Ottoman Turks) until the school is bought out (by the British). You still live there when a rivalry begins between your school and 5 other ones. The 5 schools call upon you and your schoolmates to leave your school and join there’s so that they cna come in and mess yours up and kick out these new people, who used to be a minority in your school. They come in and fail and after 30 years of being the lowest of the lowest in the 5 other schools, your are brought back to the former school, where you try and take back what you left behind, and in some cases gave to the former minority. You left the seats in the school to tohers, and now you want them back and are willing to go to any extent to get them. You abandoned them out of your own free will, how can yo udeserve to keep the seats?
I locked one of your topics? Which one? bad memory
the Happy birthday america" thread.
it degenerated after F_alk said that he didn’t care.
The term “Palestine” was invented by the Romans as a means to dishonor the Jews, because they hated them. They wanted to file the Jews and the Arabs together in a land called “Palestine” instead of Israel. So really, the “Palestinians” are just Jordanian Arabs that have lived in the region since the great dispersion and, in my opinion, have no rightful claim to the land whatsoever. Now let’s get back to the topic, unusual stuff.
The term “Palestine” was invented by the Romans as a means to dishonor the Jews, because they hated them. They wanted to file the Jews and the Arabs together in a land called “Palestine” instead of Israel. So really, the “Palestinians” are just Jordanian Arabs that have lived in the region since the great dispersion and, in my opinion, have no rightful claim to the land whatsoever. Now let’s get back to the topic, unusual stuff.
You’re quite right, dabaron. “Palestine” was what Emperor Hadrian named Judea (omdern day Israel) after the second revlot against Rome in 135 CE. It came from the extinct nation of the Philistines. Hadrian hoepd that by naming Judea and all its cities after extinct nations, he could eventually make the Jews extinct. He failed.
