@Jermofoot:
@Gargantua:
Call it Progress.
Call it Change.
Call it Reform.
Call it War.
Like rolling the dice in Axis and Allies, anything can happen and there are no garuntees; But if you don’t like the gameboard and you want to improve your control of “progress/change/reform/victory” for your side, you have to move your pieces in play to “take the chance” on better results.
What Peters is saying is that the Bush administration set the pieces in order to contribute to a possible “roll of the dice” in Egypt; and that some credit is deserved for this.
Anyways - want to know who I think deserves Credit? And like Deanin his time, I was lamblasted for saying had a “level of grace” about this process?
Mubarak.
Unlike Assad, or Ghaddafi, Mubarak saw the writing on the wall, knew what was at stake and basically resigned without a shot fired - all the while knowing he would likely face criminal proceedings. �You have to have some respect for that.
Call it dumb.
Some change. Where is Egypt now? In complete turmoil right now. What an improvement.
@Gargantua:
What was wrong with the Iraq war again?
Sorry, I tuned out to the news on it for about 5 years… far away up here in Canada you know.
IMO, at the time, there was no significant justification for it. It seemed pretty clear to me the motivation for it was not what was being sold to the American public, who ate it up anyway post WW2. And the conflict of interest, cronyism and outright corruption involved in bidding contracts, infrastructure, supply, etc. just about makes me sick. And hardly anyone even cared. The public was duped and we are paying for our bamboozle.
Like politics, Sausage is ugly when made.
I wonder what the “world” said about the American Civil war during the 1860’s. “It’s in complete turmoil right now”.
The “turmoil” in Egpyt is a piddlance in comparison to the turmoil in Syria… or what we saw in Libya. Considering the players, the location, and the stakes, it is a fairly well moderated shift. There aren’t 1000’s of people dying in the streets.
The “shift to what” is the question we should be asking.
