New Japan Strategy

I think there have been enough discussions about a round 1 IC for the Japs. The conclusion was always the same: A first round Jap IC is not optimal game play…

You didn’t post your combat moves on round one, but being defensive on round 1 with Jap is suicide. You have to take out China and the Haw Sz! Those are mandatory attacks!

1. The attack on china, it can’t be poorly defended, because USA didn’t have time to move their pieces! If you don’t take out China with sufficient forces or leave it all alone you might get stuck with an USA IC on Sinkang. It will get you nowhere near Moscow in the near future…
2. You can’t leave Pearl alone! It will bite you in the atlantic or it will start annoy Japan in the pacific, either way you are in deep trouble.
3. A first round IC is weak, because it slows Japan enormously! Transporters are way better to funnel your infantry over to the mainland! Don’t think about a mainland IC before round 3-4! The rounds before that you can just take lands with inf and airforce! After round 3-4 you can start pump tanks on mainland IC’s. you have the income base for it and enough infantry as fodder for your precious tanks.

Those are reasons enough not to think about a first round Jap IC.

Furthermore I have some notes on the rest of your strat.

1. In your territory summary is no Russian territory at all! You want exactly those territories!!! Each IPC less for the Russian player is less infantry!
2. Don’t waste your time island hopping! You want Russian Heartlands! Islands are worth less IPC’s, so why bother about them! You can take them later if you have a solid troop supply comming in. Now you have nowhere near enough troops to go after islands which are worth nothing.

I hope you can use my comments a little bit. I wrote this in little time, so there is a lot more I could say about this, but this should already be enough to discourage you using this strat.

The problem with focusing on the British holdings is, they don’t need much to run a successful campaign.  With 3 trns the UK only needs to earn 18 IPC to fill them, and 12 of those come from London and Canada.

I don’t think, long term you will be able to continue the “Southern Push” without giving Russia too much space and I think that is bad for the Axis.

You may be able to gain income but you will be sacrificing position in the process.

I think a UK/US landing in Alg on rd 2, and then a follow-up in rd 3 should be enough to win back most if not all of Africa, and many times a second landing isn’t even needed on rd 3.

For the question about IC’s, I like to wait a rd or 2.  I like the 2 trn, 3 inf rd 1 buy, then 1 trn on rd 2 with inf, THEN in rd 3 I like to look at IC’s and lately I’ve been leaning towards Yak or Sin, so new tanks are in immediate range of Moscow.

I don’t like the IC on rd 1, b/c I usually poor everything I have on land into China and I don’t really want to worry about defending FIC durning non-com.  I then unload new units to Man and land planes there.

For thsoe who say that a J1 IC is sub optimal, I disagree.  It may be sub-optimal in terms of J2 moves, But a J1 IC is superior on J3, and all moves forward.  It is also well supported by Axis wins where it is executed.

As for defense by Japan on J1… BAD idea.  Japan needs to gain income FAST, or Russia can hold them at bay AND still pound Germany

Also, Japan can NOT limit itself to attack on a single prong of attack.

The northern prong is too easy, and also is a direct assault on Russian Income (helping both Germany AND Japan) to ignore it.

A southern prong push also is easilly sustained, especiall yif the J1 IC is in FIC, and the J2 or J3 IC is in India.  Russia can NOT divert enough forces South to completely stall that attack, not if Germany is also pushign on Caucuses from the West.

There ARE ways to counter, but they are more difficult to execute by the Allies.

I would respond by kicking your behind. Wanna play? :evil:

LOL @ Maddogg.

I suppose with 2 inf placed in Fic, you could hit Sin but you’ll probably be going up against at least 4 Allied troops.
Also Man may be open for a strafe or take on R1 with no extra units.  Certainly in LL, I’d consider a strafe at the very least, going with 4 inf, 1 arm 1 ftr vs. 3 inf, 1 ftr, and take a shot at clrearing out the 3 inf before retreating back to yak.  And with a UK retreat to Sin that leaves only 6 inf to take out Chi and Sin.  Meaning, you are only going to take each with minimal force.

I perfer the placement in Man and the take heavy of China.  I’m generally not concerned with income for Japan early on, b/c the IPC’s are going to come naturally if you make strong aggressive moves towards Novo.

IMO, with 2 extra inf, I think

Chi: 7 inf
Man 4 inf, ftrs
Fic, Kwa: mt

is much stronger than

Chi: 1-2 inf
Sin: 1-2 inf
Fic: 2 inf, ftrs, IC
Man: 1-2 inf

I’ve learnd a round 2 Russian purchase of 3 tanks can go a long way into later repelling weak moves by Japan early on, and I think this is where you may run into trouble if Japan isn’t using sufficient force.  With the 7 inf already out East you don’t really need to commit much else to that front until Japan can threaten Novo, even then if you have 7-9 tanks you may be able to deter the Japan move to Novo altogether for a couple of rds.

Switch, bear in mind this is classic.  Odds are Germany’s pretty bottled in E. Europe on the first 3 rounds at least.  So Russia +3 IPC for Ukraine pretty much every round.

However, yea.  Other then the 7 Infantry, 1 Armor in the East, you’re pretty much limited on what you can do to Japan on the northern prong.  Not to mention, you can always violate Mongolia and bypass the Russian wall in the East forcing them to retreat to Novosibirsk or attack you, which is in Japan’s interest.

I’d have to say, IC in FIC, IC in Manchuria would be your best bet.  India might be too tempting for the Allies to go for.  Depends on the layout.

Anyway, with Mainland ICs you don’t need too many transports.  And those you have can go around cleaning up islands or redeploying forces to the front faster.

OK, my apologies… I keep accessing this from the “unread topics” areas instead of from the main directory…

Scratch what I said above.

In Classic there are no build limits, so you do everythign Direct from Japan.

If Russia has stacked, you TRN in to Manch and reinforce there, THEN move out to Asia.

Builds are the key with Japan.  Immediately get to 4 TRN in the water to land 8 INF to Asia.  Initially, you support their attacks with air power.
Then start adding 1 TRN per round, always keeping EVERY TRN FULL every round (cannibalize the islands for extra forces), saving extra IPC as needed to keep increasing hte TRN fleet.

Build, bridge.  Build, bridge.

Preserve your air.  Land lots of units. And just mvoe forward in a steady wall, with continous progress through Siberia to reduce Russian income as fast as possible.  With luck, you might even get to Moscow in force before Germany falls…

lol switch… I was indeed wondering about “For thsoe who say that a J1 IC is sub optimal, I disagree.  It may be sub-optimal in terms of J2 moves, But a J1 IC is superior on J3, and all moves forward.  It is also well supported by Axis wins where it is executed.”

Forgive me.  My Classic Board is thick with dust, and getting thicker.

But core concepts, such as Japan TRN heavy and sending as many troops as they can buy per round into Asia has not changed :-)

I do the same thing, Switch. :)  It’s a pain that we even deign to allow such trivial nonsensibilities and backward thinkers like classic players even talk on our boards. :)  (that was a joke, btw.  You should SEE how rusty my classic game play has gotten!  Try winning a 6 IPC bid in Classic (where the bid is in Africa))

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Oh, well.

The start post is J1 = IC + TRN.  Si!!!

The J1 Attacks?

1. Move to Pearl with everything possible, ie BB, CV, BOM, Sub, TRN, 3 FTR

2. Kill the American FTR + the two INF!

Only these attacks because I want to concentrate my forces.  I want everything available J2.

Occasionally, the defenders at Pearl loss all (awwww) and J losses nothing.  Other times, just the transport.  But I want to get all my hits, 3, in my first roll!  Supersubs, anyone?

Placement is IC at the bottom, IndoChina, away from Russian harm.  I fly the remaining aircraft and use the TRN with 2 INF from Clark, I mean the Phillipines.

In the many games I have played, some lost, I never felt J1 = IC ever was the proximate cause of my loss.

I prefer a J1 build of trn / inf without an IC.  I think it actually allows you to get more onto asia sooner than a J1 IC does, as well as giving you more flexibility with what you can do with the build.  I think there are some old posts around here about this build…