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Defenceless transport rules need revision

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@shadowhawk said in Defenceless transport rules need revision:

Currently if i got 100 transport and the enemy attacks with 1 sub, but i have an airbase and 1 fighter i can scramble. At that point i do have a unit that can shoot back so the rule does not apply and the enemy has to make 100kills with the sub.

No. Fighter and submarine can’t hit each other - so the transports are still defenseless.

Rulebook Europe 1940 2nd , page 20:

“Defenseless Transports
In a sea battle, if the defender has only transports
remaining and the attacker still has units capable
of attacking, the defending transports are all
destroyed, along with their cargo. You don’t have
to continue rolling dice until all the transports
receive hits. This will speed up combats. This also
occurs if the only combat units remaining can’t hit
each other. For example, if the defender has only
transports and submarines remaining, and the
attacker has only air units remaining, the air units
and submarines can’t hit each other, so the trans-
ports are defenseless. At this point, defenseless
transports are all destroyed, along with their cargo.
Attacking transports are not usually considered
defenseless, since they generally have the option
of retreating. If they can’t retreat, they are treated
the same as defending transports. Destroying
defenseless transports in this way still counts as
combat for the purpose of offshore bombardment
and similar rules.”

@shadowhawk said in Defenceless transport rules need revision:

Or if i got 20AA guns and the enemy attacks with 1 mech. Do we really want to roll dies till he hits 20x a 1?

No as the same rulebook says on page 29:

“If a territory containing AAA units and no combat units is attacked, the AAA units are automatically destroyed after they fire (see “Air Defense”, below), but if only air units are attacking, at least one of them must survive the Air Defense in order to destroy the AAA. AAA units may never attack.”
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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 7
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History
Round: 7 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 artillery, 2 carriers and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey Japanese take Yenisey from Russians 4 armour moved from Kansu to Chahar Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Kansu 1 artillery and 20 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Olgiy Japanese take Olgiy from Russians Combat - Japanese Battle in Chahar Japanese attack with 4 armour and 1 infantry Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 4 armour and 1 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Chahar Japanese win, taking Chahar from Chinese with 4 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 3 armour moved from Jehol to Kiangsi 4 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi 3 armour moved from Manchuria to Chahar 1 aaGun moved from Dzavhan to Olgiy 2 battleships, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 7 destroyers, 3 fighters, 5 submarines, 3 tactical_bombers and 3 transports moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Philippines to Japan 1 bomber moved from Philippines to Japan 2 fighters moved from Philippines to Kiangsi 3 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea Place Units - Japanese 2 carriers placed in 6 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in Kiangsu 3 infantry placed in Manchuria 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 44 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4 Japanese collect 54 PUs; end with 54 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : -0.33 Japanese regular : -1.17
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1942 2nd Edition

Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 119 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Southern France to 93 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Southern France to 93 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia 1 armour moved from Tobruk to Tunisia 1 destroyer moved from 93 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone Combat - Germans Battle in 119 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 battleship and 1 transport Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 119 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 battleship owned by the British lost in 119 Sea Zone Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 119 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 transport in 119 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/0 hits, 0.00 expected hits 1 transport owned by the British lost in 119 Sea Zone Germans win, taking 119 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 27 Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 transport Non Combat Move - Germans 1 tactical_bomber moved from 119 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 119 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece 1 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece 1 armour moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Northern Italy 1 infantry moved from France to Northern Italy 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia 1 fighter moved from Romania to Southern Italy 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Poland to Greece 1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania 1 armour moved from Bulgaria to Romania 1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Romania 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 armour moved from Germany to Romania 1 armour moved from Germany to Romania 1 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Greece to Bulgaria 1 mech_infantry moved from Greece to Romania 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to 112 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway 1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Holland Belgium to Germany 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany 1 bomber moved from Germany to Western Germany 1 fighter moved from Germany to Southern Italy 1 armour moved from France to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from France to Yugoslavia 1 artillery moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France 1 aaGun moved from Germany to Poland 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Germany 1 aaGun moved from France to Western Germany 1 fighter moved from Norway to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 112 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry placed in Western Germany Germans undo move 2. 1 factory_minor placed in Greece 2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Western Germany Turn Complete - Germans Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,2 Germans collect 45 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 45 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.17 British regular : 0.00
Territory Summary for Germans :
Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag Southern France : 1 flag, 1 harbour France : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry Tunisia : 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry Slovakia Hungary : 1 infantry Western Germany : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 factory_major, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Romania : 5 armour, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Poland : 1 aaGun, 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys Germany : 1 aaGun, 1 armour and 1 factory_major Norway : 2 infantry Northern Italy : 1 armour and 1 infantry Southern Italy : 2 fighters Eastern Poland : 1 flag, 1 infantry Bessarabia : 1 flag, 1 infantry 112 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports 119 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 2 submarines 95 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer Bulgaria : 1 flag, 1 infantry Greece : 1 flag, 1 armour, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber 97 Sea Zone : 1 transport Yugoslavia : 1 flag, 2 armour Finland : 1 flag, 5 infantry
Production/PUs Summary :
Russians : 36 / 41 Japanese : 52 / 53 Americans : 50 / 70 Chinese : 9 / 9 Germans : 47 / 50 British : 31 / 31 UK_Pacific : 9 / 10 Italians : 10 / 10 ANZAC : 10 / 10 French : 7 / 0 Dutch : 0 / 0 Mongolians : 0 / 0 Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0 Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0 Neutral_True : 18 / 0
Dice Statistics:
Total 1 was rolled 43 times 2 was rolled 49 times 3 was rolled 39 times 4 was rolled 46 times 5 was rolled 34 times 6 was rolled 56 times Average roll : 3.551 Median : 4.000 Variance : 1.118 Standard Deviation : 1.058 Total rolls : 267 Null / Other 1 was rolled 11 times 2 was rolled 15 times 3 was rolled 12 times 4 was rolled 13 times 5 was rolled 8 times 6 was rolled 17 times Average roll : 3.566 Median : 3.500 Variance : 0.658 Standard Deviation : 0.811 Total rolls : 76 Germans Combat 1 was rolled 7 times 2 was rolled 5 times 3 was rolled 2 times 4 was rolled 7 times 5 was rolled 7 times 6 was rolled 9 times Average roll : 3.784 Median : 4.000 Variance : 0.801 Standard Deviation : 0.895 Total rolls : 37 Americans Combat 1 was rolled 6 times 2 was rolled 3 times 3 was rolled 7 times 4 was rolled 4 times 5 was rolled 4 times 6 was rolled 3 times Average roll : 3.222 Median : 3.000 Variance : 0.519 Standard Deviation : 0.721 Total rolls : 27 Chinese Combat 2 was rolled 2 times 3 was rolled 2 times 4 was rolled 2 times Average roll : 3.000 Median : 3.000 Variance : 1.200 Standard Deviation : 1.095 Total rolls : 6 Russians Combat 1 was rolled 11 times 2 was rolled 15 times 3 was rolled 12 times 4 was rolled 13 times 5 was rolled 8 times 6 was rolled 17 times Average roll : 3.566 Median : 3.500 Variance : 0.658 Standard Deviation : 0.811 Total rolls : 76 Japanese Combat 1 was rolled 8 times 2 was rolled 9 times 3 was rolled 4 times 4 was rolled 7 times 5 was rolled 7 times 6 was rolled 10 times Average roll : 3.578 Median : 4.000 Variance : 0.489 Standard Deviation : 0.699 Total rolls : 45
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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 6
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

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Round: 6 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 2 armour, 10 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Albania Russians take Albania from Italians 2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary 1 artillery moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Iraq to Syria Russians take Syria from Italians Combat - Russians Battle in Slovakia Hungary Russians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Slovakia Hungary, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Slovakia Hungary, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Slovakia Hungary Russians win, taking Slovakia Hungary from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 114 Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 4 aaGuns and 15 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania 8 artilleries moved from Yugoslavia to Romania 4 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Eastern Poland 3 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus 1 armour moved from Vyborg to Northern Belarus 1 armour moved from Archangel to Northern Belarus 1 mech_infantry moved from Karelia to Vologda 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Northern Belarus 7 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Trans-Jordan to Ukraine 1 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine 1 submarine moved from 129 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone 4 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Bulgaria to Eastern Poland 3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland 2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Romania 2 armour moved from Ukraine to Romania Place Units - Russians 3 infantry placed in Leningrad 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Siberia 1 infantry placed in Southern Persia 1 mech_infantry placed in Stalingrad 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 9 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,2,5,2,3,5,3,6,6,2,3,3,5,3,4,1,4,6 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,5,3,2 Russians collect 55 PUs (9 lost to blockades); end with 55 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 58 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 60 PUs Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 12 PUs; end with 72 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.67 Russians regular : 0.17
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