desertfox “I think the only way to take karelia is if the ussr player is stupid and doesn’t attack you turn 1”

well I think that the article stated that it was only useful against extremely passive players…. why would you try to attack karelia if you can’t move your troops into karelia?

@AgentSmith:

I would say never strafe Karelia. In a RR game the Russians should have 18-19inf 3arm and 1-2 ftrs which should make any strafe uneffective as it would require the Germans to largely ignore the Uk fleet while enduring AA gun shots which depending on how effective/ineffective they are would decide if the strafe is even remotely effective. If you have such limited experience in playing the game that you need to play Yahtzee on G1 then I’d say you are better of getting waxed because you will most certainly learn many lessons in the process.

As for non RR games with a +21 bid…if the bid is mostly in Europe then a counterattack on Karelia may not be such a bad idea depending on how well placed your bid is. However, most of the times it is not, and again by the time you learn when it is you won’t need to so there it is.

allright well while it’s possible to defend karelia….isn’t it also possible that emptying russia… to defend it leaves you open for fighter attacks and also paratroopers being dropped on russia? while you want to defend karelia… you don’t want to leave russia open to attack.

hey darth…… I still don’t agree with you at all…but I apologize if I offended you at all…I tend to get a little snappy with my debates… so anyways…sorry :(

I 100% agree… when you’re playing against even a semi-aggressive this tactic works well. but I wouldn’t use it unless you’re very very aggressive! 8)

DarthMaximus I think you’re getting a little disproportioned with your figures. trust me the axis is not that bad off if you’re a good player. you have to know where to spend IPCs. but honestly if you’re a good axis player you shouldn’t have that big a problem. let me guess tho you’re one of those players who buys all tanks the first turn right?

like the allies you have to make many critical buys/moves on the first turn infact the first turn in many cases can win or loose a game……suchas buy industry…navy/transports if you need them harras ussr but remember to defend…just spend wisely if you know what I mean it can make a huge difference. note: none of the stuff I mentioned for you to buy is a specific list… just saying try different things you’re bound to hit gold.

well try using planes to take out atlantic navy, trust me that alone can make a huge dent. if you take out america’s transport and the one by canada and england. Note:there is a sub near america for germans. use it on american trans.

well that’s enough info for now… just don’t automatically say this isn’t fair we need to change the rules…change how you think.

allright well it seems most people like the axis. one reason I probably think differently than most is because I was taught to play axis and allies by a very skilled AXIS player. when I first became an A&A player I had a very hard time beating him…… also because he has grown as I have grown. he’s become exceedingly good with the axis. meaning most of his A&A friends loose to him 100% of the time… with the exception of course of the veteran players 20+ yrs. when you play against someone who has the axis down to an art. the allies don’t seem as impossible to loose against as u all have in your minds. 8)

ok first of all… agentsmith"USSR could be played by a chimp"…
that’s true in some regards I have to admit that, but it also depends on what kind of chimp you’re playing against… it’s probably the easiest to explain to a newcomer but how long on there own would it take them to learn to use USSR to it’s fullest power… probably quite a while…and if you want a truely good A&A player out of them I would hope you’d let them discover it on their own… that’s part of the fun… playing discovering doing things wrong a few times. :wink:

and second the axis isn’t incredibly hard to win with… you do have to be excedingly aggressive with the axis… with the IPC battle by gaining as many territories as you can in a short amount of time.

well of all the nations USSR is the most important in the allies I believe… they connect all the routes by which the allies can assist each other!

hey if I wanna see a bunch of people argue than this is the perfect post and I do wanna see people argue! :D

well I was just curious as to what you choose to play as and why? anyone reply to this, just tell me why you’re side is so good. or if you just play as one country why do you prefer them?

ohh and personally the allies are the best! I love the fact that you can’t win without cooperation between the countries! axis you don’t have nearly enough cooperation…not until the game is just about won newho!