@thrasher1 said in Renegade Con Virtual: Axis and Allies:
The winner of ‘Pick your Battle’ is:
North Africa
https://renegadegamestudios.com/blog/axis-allies-pick-the-battle-vote-results-are-in-/
I love this choice. Great theater of operations, tons of active participants, hopefully some new sculpts…
Thanks so much!! I’m about to print out your AA50 map with the modifications to Australia and Italian East Africa, pondering if there are any other changes I’d like to have before I have it made (neoprene).
Perhaps sea zone 66… :grin:
“Raiding” other games is fairly common practice in A&A, and there’s an easy solution for Renegade Games.
For any game that includes new sculpts, just make them for all the powers! For example, Axis & Allies Zombies included cards for 1942, I could easily see a A&A North Africa game introduce, say, a Tank Destroyer piece with sculpts for the US, Italy, Germany, and the UK. It would be child’s play to include 4 more sculpts in that box, for France, Japan, USSR and Anzac.
That means that everyone who owns Global 40 would want to buy it ($$$), and everyone who owns A&A North Africa already has “pieces” for Global 40 and is incentivized to buy that next. Win win win!
I think we are on the same page, but I still believe that you are overlooking a huge chunk of the cost (and complexity). Let me explain:
The majority of the “cost” of the modern Axis & Allies games (or any board game, for that matter) is transportation cost of the size and weight of the box, with the actual components (paper/plastic/cardboard) as the secondary driver. These games are made and boxed in China, then packed in containers for oceanic shipping. Those are priced by the cubic foot, of course. Once they arrive stateside, they are loaded into trucks or trains (price per pallet), taken to distribution centers, and from there shipped in smaller mixed loads to stores, or mailed via a common carrier (all based on size/weight.
I think it is critical to divorce the boards, which make up a huge chunk of “cost” when taking this into account, from the game. We already have Axis & Allies 1941 as an example, assuming that Hasbro/Renegade is making some profit then about $25 is a fair expectation for 200 pieces + board/rules/box.
Your pricing, for a G40 player, would be as follows:
Axis & Allies Base - $30 (a bit more expensive than 41 as it would have a few more pieces - injection molded plastic isn’t wildly expensive however).
Axis & Allies Advanced - $30 (I can’t drop the price any cheaper than 1941, as the components are quite similar - map + some pieces, but the board is bigger)
Axis & Allies Global - around $60 (the pieces are minimal, but the combined weight of the boards drives much of this price)
Here is the problem - your hypothetical G40 player HAS to spend $30 extra for Italy + some minor pieces, and ends up with a map that they don’t really need or use. Here’s my solution:
Axis & Allies Base - $30 (as above)
Axis & Allies Advanced - $25 (pieces ONLY - nothing else. Small box, about half the size of the 1941 box, with about 600 - 700 pieces). Smaller size = less cost.
Axis & Allies Games - as most of these are map and rules only, they can actually be a bit thinner than the current boxes , but still sufficient to stand on a shelf. Each one of these assumes you own #1, and some will have to explicitly state if you need to own #2. Of course, if any new pieces are introduced they will be included here.
This also neatly avoids the issues of a game that requires Italy + other advanced pieces requiring a customer to purchase 4 games, under your system. For example, Axis & Allies North Africa. A buyer in your system would need the base game, plus advanced for Italy, plus G40 for all of the mechanized infantry, French pieces etc, PLUS the actual North Africa game. That sounds like game DLC hell.
Meanwhile, my system would just required base + advanced plus the actual game. No need to have an AA50 board and a G40 board taking up space in your house because you don’t need it!
I think there’s room for two new pieces in this condensed, zoomed in map: self-propelled artillery and tank destroyers.
For the Germans, it would be the SiG 33 and StuG III, respectively, and for the US it would be the M7 Priest / M10 Wolverine. The UK could use the Bishop, and either recycle the M10 sculpt (they used it as the Achilles) or perhaps the slightly later war Archer. Italy I’m unsure of, but I’m sure they have a couple models that would work.
Edit: did my research, for a self propelled artillery piece I’d select the Semovente da 90/53, and for the anti-tank I’d pick the Semovente da 75/18. The Italians called both kinds “self-propelled guns”, hence the similarity of naming.
Also; Vichy France will be in this game, please please give us a French tank!
@vodot said in Renegade Con Virtual: Axis and Allies:
@black_elk solid post. I like the wider view of the first map much more, which would allow for ocean at the extreme left - Casablanca has to be on the map, I think, along with Cyprus and Salermo.
Agreed 100% - besides, they can also stretch/skew the map a bit and make it conform to a slightly taller board, rather than one that is wide but narrow. Here’s what I would have as the board:
Each game is different - out of the “battle” series of games, I prefer D-Day/Bulge/Guadalcanal, but that doesn’t mean Guadalcanal is the worst, it is just the 3rd place game in that lineup.
I honestly don’t get why AA50 is so revered - the pieces suck compared to AA42, the map is somewhat flimsy - but it has a HUGE box… yay.
What I did with my set of AA50 was buy 2 sets of AA42 at Target ($15 each, $30 total!) and was able to throw in LOTS of extra chips, and completely swapped out the US/UK/Germany/USSR/Japan pieces for the much better AA42 ones. The control markers and the charts are nice, but we buy Axis & Allies for the plastic pieces! Otherwise, we have warehouses full of thick, counter-based games to choose from.
Just my $0.02 - and in my opinion, the AAP40 and AAE40 games ROCK - I will buy 3 sets of AAE40 just for the pieces alone! (Finally - French & Italians!)
Nate, could I ask a huge favor - could you edit the Version 4 map file for me and remove all of the RCs? No other changes, I’d like to print it out but without those as a very nice vendor on Etsy (ummm… you!) made me a buttload of 3d printed pieces :)
Playing devil’s advocate, the front page article references something from mid-2019. Perhaps if you posted an update, referencing what Renegade has announced, it might garner a bit more attention? ;)
@djensen 100% I was wrong!
I’m now a playtester for this, so I cannot comment, but it is an Axis & Allies game… and I will buy it :)
Hi everyone - looking for as many tanks and artillery from Europe 1940 1st edition (US Sherman and US 105mm) as possible.
I’m willing to swap 1:1 for Europe 1940 2nd edition pieces AND pay you $1 per piece as well as cover shipping. Let me know how many you have!
@Imperious-Leader I’m not disagreeing with anything you wrote, but was merely answering the original poster who inquired as to AAM.
It looks like Renegade is releasing a GI Joe themed version using the AAM rules. I’ve never played AAM, don’t really care for it, but the original poster asked…
@Midnight_Reaper I believe by “game engine” they mean the A&A Miniatures.
It would make sense, with the other elements they stated in the release.
Nate, could I ask a huge favor - could you edit the Version 4 map file for me and remove all of the RCs? No other changes, I’d like to print it out but without those as a very nice vendor on Etsy (ummm… you!) made me a buttload of 3d printed pieces :)
@crsluggo thanks! Honestly, as many as you’d be willing to let go; I’m assuming it might take me a bit of time to replace all of my 2nd edition Anzacs with 1st.
Looking for 1940 Pacific 1st Edition Anzac Infantry, willing to pay for your pieces and 1/1 swap them for Pacific 1940 2nd Edition Infantry. Thanks!
@crsluggo The best is yet to come… they’ve hinted at some major plans for A&A Anniversary, looks like they are onboard with making it the flagship product for Axis & Allies.
New sculpts? New scenarios? New optional rules/cards? We shall see!
You think so? I voted for Bulge, only because I’m a sucker for more trucks :grin:
@vodot amazing! One final tweak, can “Defender” at the bottom be in red like Anniversary one?
