i have to keep coming back and looking at those planes.  makes me happy.  Where did you get those brushes?  was it a member here?  or was there I site I could order them from?

ok, now you’re just showing off.  :-P  Outstanding job!  I have to get some of those brushes because now I’m jealous that someone has that much detail on their pieces and I don’t.  Haha.  Thanks for sharing!

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those brits are incredible.  where did you get the decals?

those brits are incredible.  where did you get the decals?

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i have to keep coming back and looking at those planes.  makes me happy.  Where did you get those brushes?  was it a member here?  or was there I site I could order them from?

ok, now you’re just showing off.  :-P  Outstanding job!  I have to get some of those brushes because now I’m jealous that someone has that much detail on their pieces and I don’t.  Haha.  Thanks for sharing!

Love it! Great job guys.  Keep em coming.

State: South Carolina
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Games: A&A, World of Tanks (computer)
Notes: Mostly play 2004 Revised, but open to all versions.  Need to know ahead of time to let the wife know I have plans so she doesn’t make any.

sounds good.  havent’ been able to dig out and check for myself.  thanks.

I’ve always read the rules that the subs’ opening salvo is similar to AA fire.  You fire at the beginning of combat, but not every time.  they essentially get one free shot (like AA guns) before the attacker rolls.
As stated before, if there is a destroyer present, this negates that special ability.
It also depends if you’re defending and submerged or not.
If you’re attacking and want to use your subs, they can’t be submerged.  So they can be hit in return fire rolls.  If you’re defending and submerged, you can opt to not include them in combat…but they don’t get to fire at all.
Additionally, I’ll double check, but I don’t ever remember the rules stating that subs can’t shoot down planes (most of them actually did have AA capability on the deck).  Revised isn’t specific…but essentially it’s just dice roll versus dice rolls.  In later versions it gets more specific into the abilities of each unit.  If you want to play that way, fine.  But it adds a lot more nuances (and length) to the game. 
Again, if the sub is submerged, it doesn’t attack.  it’s just spared from the combat.  You can submerge subs and retreat them after the defender gets to fire back.
Again, if you want to get into the weeds of naval combat, that’s fine.  But this version of the game isn’t meant to be a tabletop tactical battle.  It’s a sheer strategic numbers aligned with probability styled game.  I wouldn’t recommend getting to specific with newer players.  If you have a close group who play often, go ahead and see how you like playing with those house rules.  Cheers.

I also like capturing AA guns rather than building them like normal units.  They are definitely more valuable in Revised.  You can’t make too many, and you really have to think about moving them around (Revised) instead of just buying a bunch and grouping them with your units everywhere (G40)

Yeah, I want to play a board game…not be a reenactor. Definitely like how Revised starts you a certain way, but after the game starts it can really go anywhere.  German aircraft carriers are fun, Russia building battleships makes me chuckle, and Building a US factory in China that keeps spitting out tanks is a great troll.  If you take on the strategies adopted by the actual powers in WWII, you are optimized for success that way.  But there’s enough freedom in Revised to break the norm and do something unexpected (Mass-producing a German Fleet in the Med).