Christian Fundamentalism ?

@Yanny:

Well, you just named 3 of the most conservative people in the United States. Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are just southern redneck crazies. No need to listen to them.

yea and who would ever listen to some washed up war vetra, Failed artist from Austria eh?

You…

true but im tying to debate this from Falks point of veiw mate ;)

I’m new on this thread, but has anyone mentioned Billy Graham or his son Franklin Graham? They are the two biggest Christian ministers in the world, and no ever seems to attack them. As far as finances go, no one can make an arguement, though, because both of those men keep their financial books open at all times. They are completely honest. I wonder if Finsternis can accuse them of anything besides believing fallacies…

Really, it would do christians a lot of good to excommunicate the entire cast of the 700 club.

Someone know of what denomination Paterson is exactly ?

True, that was pretty funny… but now imagine they gain influence… that’s scary!

I always think Stoiber was a fool… but this is nothing compare to these guys :)

These people would offer their daughters to me to have sex with

Hey, you don’t have the right to have sex before you get married :)

They are completely honest. I wonder if Finsternis can accuse them of anything besides believing fallacies…

I never said christians were not honest, caring or that they had no social conscience, i just believe they live in a world of illusions, when one guy at school said i was “finsternis” because i was questionning the existance of god, i find that was completly out of reality. And there is people out there that believe Atheist and Secular Humanist are possesed by deamons.

Anyway i already said it i did’nt want to bash at christianism, i just provide some funny quote of “famous” fundamentalist, and you should note that i use the word “fundamentalist”, and not only “christians”, i know most christians are not like that, so i prefer to call Paterson a fundamentalist.

true but im tying to debate this from Falks point of veiw mate

How could you defend an ideology as irrational and anti-humanistic as nazism ?

im not a nazi, just sorta of a warped Fascist. but u see although its Anti-Humanistic thats the best part, cus u see Humans arent perfect. with the right mix of Fanatasicm and Power u can mold Human Society and Nature into something much greater and Powerful ;)

or u can be shallow and just think im sphycotic ;)

Greater than like what?

Man, people don’t want to be MOLDED. People need to be encouraged… to educate themselves, choose how they want to improve self and surroundings. Instead of “molding” we need to organize and inspire to fight the only GOOD wars: against poverty, ignorance, disease, oppression and intolerance. (and no sense of humor)

If some religions, cults, even hobbies, give people inspiration – and advise them not to do violence unto others or nature – great! Grab your own form of mumbo jumbo and celebrate!

Fanaticism is fine for sports, art, music… maybe for love affairs. But not for public policy and international relations. Word = we got to live together.

All in good fun::: yer fellow non-zombie humanoid. Remember, the X-Men had to put their lives on the line against the <<master mold=“”>> for the good of all of us, mutants and nonmutants alike. (Well, maybe you don’t remember – this was way, way back in the late 1960s immediately following the origin of the X-Men.) Anyway, just an aside for any FANS of comix who might be lurking…</master>

@F_alk:

@cystic:

yeah, but look at who they gain influence over. Usually little old ladies, or people who i could influence to help me build a mighty castle encompassing most of Alabama.

So you think the old ladies are responsible for the raise in hate crimes?
Seriously, you don’t need to be smart to be violent, usually it’s more the other way round….

yeah, i figured one needed to be violent in order to be smart to . . .

Also isn’t “finstern” German for “window”? Or is that finestre and French?
i’m sooo confused. You’re a confusing guy FS. If indeed you are a guy. Maybe you’re a lesbian . . . ahhh well, it’s not like the world doesn’t have too many of those either . . . .

All in good fun::: yer fellow non-zombie humanoid. Remember, the X-Men had to put their lives on the line against the <<master mold=“”>> for the good of all of us, mutants and nonmutants alike. (Well, maybe you don’t remember – this was way, way back in the late 1960s immediately following the origin of the X-Men.) Anyway, just an aside for any FANS of comix who might be lurking.</master>

lurking… :wink:

@F_alk:

english: window
german: Fenster
latin: fenestra

german: Finsternis
english: darkness

for a good english german translator: check
dict.leo.org

And in French, window is fenetre with the accent ciroconflex over the second e, am I right? I hope French studies here in Canada have helped me learn something.

Also isn’t “finstern” German for “window”? Or is that finestre and French?
i’m sooo confused. You’re a confusing guy FS. If indeed you are a guy. Maybe you’re a lesbian . . . ahhh well, it’s not like the world doesn’t have too many of those either . . . .

In what am i confusing ? And no, it’s not window. It’s darkness, haha, i have more fun than all of you writting down my nick, but as you do believe in “evil” and “good”, you probably don’t find it funny at all :), anyway if i take this nick, it’s because at first you make me think of that guy who call me darkness because i tried to be objective.

And in French, window is fenetre with the accent ciroconflex over the second e, am I right? I hope French studies here in Canada have helped me learn something.

You’re right, fenêtre.

well, i can see your amusement FS,
but really for someone who tries to shine the light of objectivity, education, and reason on the world, you might well have gone with “window” - a window is so much more revealling than a wall.
i understand the satiristic over/undertones. Maybe there is some self-fulfilling prophecy, n’est pas?

well, i can see your amusement FS

I doupt you can really see CC, for me the idea of angels and deamons was always highly comical, even when i was christians my parent always told me it was just image. So the idea that some people at there, maybe even here, believe that i am sent by satan or deamon, it’s just amusing.

but really for someone who tries to shine the light of objectivity, education, and reason on the world, you might well have gone with “window”

Bah… a nick, i had no other idea anyway. I always fight for social developpement, with communist or now with secular humanist, i obviously don’t want to shed obscurantism. You will not agree with my fight against religion and the conception of god, but i am not driven by hate or by personnal motive, i just want to fight obscurantism (obviously, fight is in a purely philosophical point of view).

Maybe there is some self-fulfilling prophecy, n’est pas?

You obviously don’t know me. But now that you talk about it, i am drinking much more blood these time. :)

i just want to fight obscurantism

Rarely do I see anybody who doesn’t. Though actions are better at determining this than words…

@TG:

i just want to fight obscurantism

Rarely do I see anybody who doesn’t. Though actions are better at determining this than words…

well, you are forgetting about politicians and lawyers . . . .

hahahaha, What percentage politicians purposely tell you that they practice obscurantism? The answer? Not very many. How many actually do? Almost every one of them. :-?