Only 2 sets of units in North Africa cases

Still too expensive, but better than nothing!

@dezrtfish:

As far as air goes, I don’t like the idea of a sniper taking out a P51, that just seems quite improbable.  An MG42 I can see.  I also can’t imagine an M1 Garand nailing an ME109.  Could it happen? maybe, but probably not.

Again I see it as more of a playability issue. Is it realistic? No, not even close. Heck really planes shouldn’t be in the game at a such a small level. However, I shouldn’t be completely screwed over just because I’m not using dedicated AA, which is otherwise a bit of a waste if my opponent doesn’t use aircraft (perhaps this is where a sideboard comes in… :).
It seems to me that these rules are encouraging a more defencive game and creating an environment where you want your infantry spread out - that way they’re less prone to enfilade/grazing shot, and can also perhaps get in line with a plane to help bring it down.

I didn’t get to play a game sunday with the rules, but I hope to some time this week to try them out.

Alright what about a
Brummbar
or Jagdtiger
i have alot of machine gun teams and snipers who prove very useful
especially when i disrut there armor then kill them with my pak 40’s

I like the Puma too, but it’s a little overpriced.

The Hetzer actually seems to have a good price; it’s not paying the standard extra points for being German like the Panzer IV G had to.

Most of these suggestions would go well with the House Rules sets on the other A&AM forums; most of the sets have one common idea when it comes to planes: only units with the SA: Anti-Air should be able to shoot them. Me? I think MGs should too, but that’s just me. But a Garand shooting down a Stuka? Silly. Infantry never did enough damage to planes to warrant how easy it is in the game rules.

From the HHR:

Air Rules

HHR uses the Flak Only Rule. Only Flak and other planes can shoot at planes. The four flak units so far are

the 20mm Flak 38 the Quad 50 the Bofors 40mm the Wirbelwind

The Luftwaffe Inf has been stripped of its AA ability, further changes subject to a full review of that unit (coming shortly). Although the Wirbelwind hasn’t been formally reviewed, we have already voted to give it Double Shot. Any other units that are going to be recognized as Flak units are either future releases or may be introduced on a case by case basis.

All Flak units get a 4 hex zone of defensive fire. During defensive fire, if a flak unit scores a disruption on a plane, and rolls 3 sixes while doing so, then the plane is Aborted and is immediately removed from the map to the off map area with a face up disrupted counter. It may come back onto the map the following turn with its face up disruption counter if the owning player so desires.

Yes, the Soviets don’t have a dedicated AA unit – but their standard AA gun was a knockoff of the Bofors weapon.

From DerickRL’s House Rules (different than HHR):

Aircraft:
When attacking aircraft, all ground units, without the SA: Anti-Air, use their long range infantry attack as a medium range attack, and their medium range attack as their short range attack(with -1 to each die). No long range attacks against aircraft are available to units without the Anti-Air SA.

All soldier units get +1 on each die to cover rolls from aircraft in town or forest hexes.

All short and medium range hexes are considered to be adjacent for purposes of defensive fire attacks against aircraft by Anti-Air units

Artillery & Assault gun’s can not attack aircraft unless they have the SA: Anti-Air.

All units with SA’s: Blast and/or Bombardment cannot attack aircraft.

I think a mix of the two would be nice, since I like HHR’s, but I also like how in the latter units get +1 cover in towns and forests vs. planes.

-=Grim=-

@ezto:

Why not buy singles jester?

I probably should have been  a little more clear: I really want 6 AB, but also don’t have enough Chinese, Romanians, Japanese, or Polish and thus still buy set 2 over set 1.  :-D  Plus I can’t buy singles online. I don’t have a credit card. Blegh.

-=Grim=-

one of the defining characteristics of a “tank” is the turret, this is true. but over the years the difanition of a “tank” has disolved, most people would see some armored machine of war and simply call it a tank. Armor, a big gun and some weels/treds and you got a tank, thats what it really comes down too now a days.

allthough the Jagpanther didnt have a turret it was one of the first " tanks" with if my memory serves me a reverse axel displacment set up, allowing the thing to pull a 180 in a shorter amount of time than most “tank” turrets took to rotate front to back.

This is what I have from 1 starter and 7 boosters
1 MAS 7.5 mm Rifle
2 Renault R-35
1 Commissar
1 KV-1
4 Mosin-Nagant 1891/30
1 T-34/76
3 6 Pounder Antitank Gun
2 Humber Scout Car
3 Inspiring Lieutenant
2 Royal Engineers
1 SMLE No.4 Rifle
3 Vickers Machine-Gun Team
3 Bazooka
1 Jeep
3 M1 Garand Rifle
1 M18 Hellcat
1 M3 Lee
4 M4A1 Sherman
1 M4A3E8 Sherman “Easy Eight”
2 Marines M2-2 Flamethrower
2 Mortar M2
2 Red Devil Captain
1 Light Mortar
4 Mauser Kar 98k
3 MG42 Machine-Gun Team
2 PAK 38 Antitank Gun
3 Panzer IV Ausf. G
4 Panzerfaust 30
1 Sd Kfz 222
3 SS Hauptsturmführer
4 SS-Panzergrenadier
1 Tiger I
4 47mm Type 1 Antitank Gun
1 Type 89 Mortar

I intend to use the Jap 47mm ATguns as Russian 45mm AT guns until they release a Russian AT gun unit. Also The UK AT gun can substitute for the US 57mm AT gun. Shermans and Lees can be used by both the UK and Russians as they were Lend-Lease items.

AOS