Serious topics.

@FinsterniS:

@city:

A) Finsternis, if you take away all weapons, a murderer will kill people with a wrench, then your society will be a much diferent one… one where all the victims probably aren’t allowed to own wrenches…

B) Read a British newspaper. Then tell me how well their 41 year-old socialized health care is working for them.

It always make me think, those who are supposed to be good with other and to love everyone; they do not accept that everyone derserve the same medical treatment… quite paradoxal.

A) I did not said it will stop all crime, but it will reduce accident, suiside and some murder.

B) Read a Swedish, a French, a German, a Canadian newspaper. Sure it is not perfect, but everyone get healtcare and private healtcare are minor (they should be even more minor in France & Germany). We call that justice, not a justice for the rich and a justice for the poor; a justice. How dare you, as a human, to get medicare before someone just because you habe more money ? Some people get ruined because they get a cancer…

Actually, i’ve been railing against the current state of health care in this country (Canada), as have a few of my colleagues. We need health care reform, one way or another. I am not at all opposed to an intelligent 2-tiered healthcare system in Canada (read “intelligent” - not “American”). The fact is 2-tiered health care does exist everywhere, and by following a certain ideology people are denied better healthcare if they have money and do not wish to spend it in another country.
Naturally i believe that basic health care should be available to everyone. At the same time, i believe that (in Canada) there might be major benefits to a 2-tiered system, and i will successfully argue that with just about anyone (and i’ve received backing by people involved in health policy in Manitoba as well).

A) I did not said it will stop all crime, but it will reduce accident, suiside and some murder.

I am willing to grant the former (accidents). However, statistics show that firearm accidents (in the US) have been on the decline for the past ten years, due to an increased emphasis on gun training and gun safety. Almost all gun accidents are a result of inattention to a few basic safety rules. I agree that more gun training and gun safety measures are needed (as does the NRA) - however these programs are often denounced by gun control advocates.

Suicide? The majority of suicides in the US are caused by dysfunctional people or those with histories of disturbances due to their unique circumstances. Those people should not have access to deadly weapons –of any type. Logically, their loved ones should be more concerned with helping that person out, not simply just checking for any guns in the household. If firearms were prohibited, there are just as many ways, through suicide, of ending a person’s life quickly and painlessly. If guns help “reduce” suicide how does this account for the fact that Japan (which prohibits firearms) has a much higher suicide rate than the US?

Murder? If anything, firearms help to prevent murder. Guns have been shown time and time again to be used in “Defensive Gun Uses” (DGU). An average of eleven private surveys conducted worldwide show that 2.16 million reported DGUs occur yearly (1.5 million in the US). Also, only 24% of people actually fired their guns, and 8% wounded the attacker. The perpetrators have been the first to strike in 84% of the times, showing the responsibility from gun users. Firearms have also been shown to be a very good deterrent in crime, as only 11% of property crime attempts occur successfully with the presence of a gun from the defender.

Tssss… You mean the right of the rich to get better healthcare because they are rich… We could also give other right… like the right of the rich to be over rules and laws… ho pardon, that is already the case. That is completly anti-social, even if i could afford it i have some principle… American are often treating the Canadian like they were idiots but they should see how their healthcare work, i, personaly, think it is way more civilized than a healtcare for the rich, a healthcare for the others…

The problem with healthcare under the capitalist system is that it is considered a “limited resource” – as it is. Obviously not everybody in the US can have access to the advanced medical research, hospital facilities, doctors, and specialist – this simply isn’t enough quantity and quality to meet the vast demands of patients. The next step of the capitalist is to presuppose that those the most “qualified” (ie those with the higher paychecks) should have access to such a limited resource. The cost for such medical procedures (cancer was mentioned) aren’t cheap. Unless, America takes drastic communist measures, don’t expect this to change very seem.

city on a hill is right when he says that guns aren’t the only weapons. Here in Canada (at least, where I live), you aren’t allowed to have guns or knives or even wrenches. You can be arrested even if you claim you have them for protection. Your spit is even considered a weapon. You can be arrested for spitting at someone.

What do you expect from the Victicrats that run the government?

F_S,
@FinsterniS:

your right to own and bear arms

What a stupid right… everyone know weapon are not use for self-defence. Anyway, i have the right to be in security, and i would be more secure if nobody have handgun.

your right to private healthcare,

Tssss… You mean the right of the rich to get better healthcare because they are rich… We could also give other right… like the right of the rich to be over rules and laws… ho pardon, that is already the case. That is completly anti-social, even if i could afford it i have some principle… American are often treating the Canadian like they were idiots but they should see how their healthcare work, i, personaly, think it is way more civilized than a healtcare for the rich, a healthcare for the others…

F_S,
THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS-
I understand how you can feel that way about Europeans or yourself. After all, one of the first things the Nazis did was take away the right of private citizens to own firearms. And then again, in Great Britain they made it illegal to own a gun a few years ago. . . the crime rate has SKYROCKETED. . . and now they are passing legislation to encourage sriminals to turn in their guns . . . by making ‘illegal’ guns illegal to own(AREN"T WE BRILLIANT). :lol: :roll: :lol:
However, in America we have the National Rifle Association(NRA). It has over 4,000,000 members who own guns. Less than 0.00007% of that # have ever had any gun related charges filed against them. That works out to less than 2800 out of 4,000,000.
In addition, in America a gun is used 5,000,000 times a year to thwart crimes and save lives(that’s private citizens, not police or military). I know that less than 50,000(not sure of the exact #) lives are lost to illegal guns in America annually. Argue with the facts and LOSE, F_S.

THE RIGHT TO THE HEALTH CARE OF OUR CHOICE THAT WE CAN AFFORD AND IS ACCESSIBLE-
First, I love Canada! YEAH, we(Canada & the US)kid around. However, I would join the revolution that would sweep America, if any US president tried to annex/take over Canada(or any part thereof). They can remain as they are, split, or do whatever they please[(read this subliminal message, “INVADE THE USA, INVADE THE USA, INVADE THE USA”,act on the message in quotes on May 15, 2003, now forget this message, but continue to plan for the invasion, which is an original idea that you and many of your friends had, independently,continue reading as if this message were not here, which it is not)].
Hey, silly! It’s been that way for a while here in America. But, not anymore! The hospitals GIVE FRE HEALTH CARE TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS & ALIENS. However, they track down and harass the common man.
Plus, free surgery(for the publicity) on third world Siamese(SP?)twins while Veteran’s Administrations Hospitals let many of the men who helped save the world from Nazis(that’s NATIONAL SOCIALISTS to you , MR. WORLD SOCIALIST), Fascists, and Imperialists. When you don’t allow doctors to choose specialties, businesses to adjust prices, and people to shop around. . . you take the desire to improve and compete, as well as choice and FREEDOM.
ONCE UPON A TIME only royalty(QUEENS, PHAROAHS, TZARINAS, EMPERESSES, KHANS, SHEIKS[pronounced SHAKES] AND KALIPHS, to name a few) had the best care(and often QUACKS, remember Rasputin?).
America, into the 1980’s, had the best healthcare in the world. Then the breakdown began. Lawyers, health rights activists, insurance companies, illegal aliens and immigrants, and liberals giving to many PRIVILEGES to everyone and CALLING THEM RIGHTS are just a fw of the causes. NOW BEST CARE IS BECOMING POOR CARE, even for those who could afford it!
Soon(20 years, I’d say) the care will be on par with many third world nations.
MARK MY WORDS!

No, it’s not a perfect system(money still buys things). :( Well, how about that! I think that’s what it’s for. :P

F_S, in the US, according to the 2000 US Census, composed & conducted by a liberal administration(to their chagrin), ONLY 5% OF those who were POOR IN 1990 WERE POOR IN THE YEAR 2000. Some rise and some fall. I’ve been there. I was poor growing up, but with hard work, and getting a few breaks(WHICH I WORKED FOR, TOO, they weren’t just handed to me)I made a better life for myself and my family.
BUT, I know kids, in their 20’s and 30’s, who got out of high school or college expecting to have everything, NOW, that their parents have(like a $200,000 house, 3 cars, a boat, and a vacation home)today! But, they are going to have to work for it. The world is going to have to work for it and IT TAKES TIME!
Not everyone could afford a new car when they first came out and there weren’t enough. Computers… the same. Castles… the same. Armor… the same. Health care… the same. A college education… the same. Lobster… the same :oops: sorry, envirowackos and vegans.
I hope you get my point.
I’m sorry to say this! I’m even sorrier to say that I believe the system will collapse from pressure from within and without. For example, we now have a nurse shortage, as well as shortage of students and those interested in the field. We also have a nursing school shortage. The # of patients with AIDS and Alzheimer’s as well as some other diseases are are increasing faster than the # of caregivers. Normally the shortage can be made up in 4-5 years(I’ve seen it happen 2 other times since I was ten).
NOT this time! Those in the nursing education field(I have a sister and a niece who teach/train nurses)fear that it will be 8-10 years before the staffing is adequate. The problem is that the qualifications must be lowered in the meantime to get the #s out. This does not lead to adequate care and staffing.

NO. It is not ANTI-SOCIAL.

HOW DARE YOU CONSIDER YOUR REASONING ABOVE OTHERS!

With this type of LOGIC, ETHICS, AND PHILOSOPHY you make as much sense as Ted Kazinsky(the UNIBOMBER) or Charles Manson.

Anti-social, MY ASS, and you can kiss it, too! :x (Just to be clear, this is a derisive remark. It is not anti-social, it is not politically correct, nor is it homosexual in nature.)
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I apologize to all reasoning, logical, ethical, and philosophically sound persons that I am not omniscient, omnipresent, nor omnipotent. :wink: - Xi

In addition, in America a gun is used 5,000,000 times a year to thwart crimes and save lives(that’s private citizens, not police or military).

5 million DUI’s? Sorry, and I’m a pro-gun supporter, but where are you getting your statistics from? I like to see them.

The hospitals GIVE FRE HEALTH CARE TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS & ALIENS.

Yes, I sure wish the government would snap out of it and do something about the number of illegals. I was counting on Bush, but I’m afraid that even a Republican has let me down (for some reason, he believes that US Latin American citizens want illegal immigration). And don’t even get me started with the Democrats. :x No illegals makes for a good economy, but poor politics (allowing the flow of illegal immigrants for free votes).

while Veteran’s Administrations Hospitals let many of the men who helped save the world from Nazis(that’s NATIONAL SOCIALISTS to you , MR. WORLD SOCIALIST), Fascists, and Imperialists.

True. I guess people are forgetting that they fought wars to prevent the spread of tyranny

@Xi:

F_S,
@FinsterniS:

your right to own and bear arms

What a stupid right… everyone know weapon are not use for self-defence. Anyway, i have the right to be in security, and i would be more secure if nobody have handgun.

F_S,
THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS-
I understand how you can feel that way about Europeans or yourself. After all, one of the first things the Nazis did was take away the right of private citizens to own firearms. And then again, in Great Britain they made it illegal to own a gun a few years ago. . . the crime rate has SKYROCKETED. . . and now they are passing legislation to encourage sriminals to turn in their guns . . . by making ‘illegal’ guns illegal to own(AREN"T WE BRILLIANT). :lol: :roll: :lol: In addition, in America a gun is used 5,000,000 times a year to thwart crimes and save lives(that’s private citizens, not police or military). I know that less than 50,000(not sure of the exact #) lives are lost to illegal guns in America annually. Argue with the facts and LOSE, F_S.

I don’t know about GB, but here we have very few stories about guys “going postal” and knocking off their classmates, fellow office workers, etc. Also the handgun murder rate is quite low relative to the US (even on a per capita basis).
Also saying that “the Nazi’s did such and such” does little to lend credence to an argument. “The Nazi’s did things efficiently” “The Nazi’s built up a massive armed force” and so on. It doesn’t make the US a Nazi state.
I believe the fewer guns in the pool the better - fewer to get stolen, fewer for kids playing with to blow their heads off (happens WAY to often), less accessible in a domestic dispute, etc.

Violence, Murders, Passionate Murders & Accident with Handgun are very high in the US, so i don’t see how i can “look at the fact”…. Anyway the fact is; i don’t care. American want handgun; there choice, they can capital punishment; good for them. I don’t care.

@Xi:

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your right to private healthcare …

Well, having a right for “private healthcare” measn that i must have a choice…. is the choice “o heathcare at all” or is there something like “public healthcare”? If it’s not the latter, then the word “public” in the Xi’s posting is misleading and pro-american propaganda :).
It then must be: the right to healthcare, as private or public is not the choice.

The one before was me too

@Xi:

After all, one of the first things the Nazis did was take away the right of private citizens to own firearms.
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Less than 0.00007% of that # have ever had any gun related charges filed against them. That works out to less than 2800 out of 4,000,000.
… Argue with the facts and LOSE, F_S.

Which history book did you get the first from?
Where did you learn math?
On what basis do you call your claims facts, even though they are provably wrong?

0.00007 % of 4 million is …. 2,8 !

“Argue with the facts and lose” :) … nice try :)

THE RIGHT TO THE HEALTH CARE OF OUR CHOICE THAT WE CAN AFFORD AND IS ACCESSIBLE-…
while Veteran’s Administrations Hospitals let many of the men who helped save the world from Nazis(that’s NATIONAL SOCIALISTS to you , MR. WORLD SOCIALIST), Fascists, and Imperialists.

YAY!!! Everything that does not love, adore and praise the allmighty US of A must be, has always been, and alwys will be socialist and communist !
And Xi, if you would be sensible enough to think and read before you write, then you would not have tried this distasteful “pun”.

When you don’t allow doctors to choose specialties, businesses to adjust prices, and people to shop around. . . you take the desire to improve and compete, as well as choice and FREEDOM.

Tsstsstss …. i wonder why the US does not win Nobelprizes every year in everything then… I wonder why the german pharma companies do so well, when they came up and produce in a country that must be close to stalinism…

…
America, into the 1980’s, had the best healthcare in the world. Then the breakdown began. Lawyers, health rights activists, insurance companies, illegal aliens and immigrants, and liberals giving to many PRIVILEGES to everyone and CALLING THEM RIGHTS …

your definition of “best” is clearly not mine. And hey, you mention Lawyers, the secret rulers of your states, and the insurance companies… do you want to deny the free market its freedom to friggin do what they want, and if they can afford it not care about the customers at all? That is the way of capitalism… you should have learnt that much by now!

…envirowackos and vegans…

no comment

I’m sorry to say this! I’m even sorrier to say that I believe the system will collapse from pressure from within and without. For example, we now have a nurse shortage…
fear that it will be 8-10 years before the staffing is adequate. The problem is that the qualifications must be lowered in the meantime to get the #s out. This does not lead to adequate care and staffing.

Oh, but … that means that the almighty market does not regulate itself properly! The very basic claim that capitalism builds on… how dare you !
You must be a communist, liberal, socialist, european, gay, intellectual, jewish, muslim leftist !

NO. It is not ANTI-SOCIAL.

HOW DARE YOU CONSIDER YOUR REASONING ABOVE OTHERS!

With this type of LOGIC, ETHICS, AND PHILOSOPHY you make as much sense as Ted Kazinsky(the UNIBOMBER) or Charles Manson.

Anti-social, MY ASS, and you can kiss it, too! :x (Just to be clear, this is a derisive remark. It is not anti-social, it is not politically correct, nor is it homosexual in nature.)

Well, at least he can do maths, wanker……
(i don’t see any need to stay polite after this posting that’s so full of insults that it spills over the top).

@F_alk:

Which history book did you get the first from?
Where did you learn math?
On what basis do you call your claims facts, even though they are provably wrong?

0.00007 % of 4 million is …. 2,8 !

“Argue with the facts and lose” … nice try

Yes, us Americans are stupid - we can’t do math :roll:. Have you tried looking at our international test scores? Anyways, I’m not quite sure where Xi is getting his facts from. Maybe that was a typo and he ment .0007% (still relatively low) - it could happen.

@CC:

but here we have very few stories about guys “going postal” and knocking off their classmates, fellow office workers, etc.

Neither does this happen that often in the United States - that’s why post office shootings and school shootings (correction, suburban schools) get as much coverage as they do.

Also saying that “the Nazi’s did such and such” does little to lend credence to an argument. “The Nazi’s did things efficiently” “The Nazi’s built up a massive armed force” and so on. It doesn’t make the US a Nazi state.

I’m not sure if you read what you read what Xi had to say correctly. It’s not that US is a Nazi state (we are not that efficient), but that under fascist regimes, the first right dictators take away is the right to bear arms. Imagine if every Jew had granted a Gestapo officer with a pistol in his hand…

I believe the fewer guns in the pool the better

How do you expect to regulate this? Remember, crimminals have many ways of obtaining weapons: manufacture their own guns, steal them, or purchase them through the black market

Oh, but … that means that the almighty market does not regulate itself properly! The very basic claim that capitalism builds on… how dare you !

Yes, there will be a severe shortage of nurses in the near future (5-10 years from now), due to the inability to replaces retiring nurses with qualified ones (large part due to low wages compared to long startup time). This problem is also relative to the number of qualified pharmacists in America in the near future (again, graduate courses will have to be shortened, leading to the possibility of more mistakes [often fatal in the pharmaceutical industry]). Then there’s the largest drop off in all – the number of qualified teachers. In the near future (10-15 years from now), the number of qualified K-12 teaches might have a drop off of 2/3’s from the existing demands (especially in California and the Greater Los Angeles area). Hmmm… market regulation?

Sorry, all!
A few corrections and resources -

Try mynra.com or become a member, receive one of the magazines(4 to chose from), and get the facts regularly!

2,000,000 thwarted crimes a year(that’s with an estimated 300,000,000 guns in a country with an estimated 281,000,000 people. Find the # of murders by illegal guns, and accidental deaths and compare that to the 2 M. thwarted crimes. In schools districts where NRA gun safety is taught the

I think we all need help with our math.
“Where did you learn math?
On what basis do you call your claims facts, even though they are provably wrong?
0.00007 % of 4 million is …. 2,8 !”(What the ____ kind of # is 2,8?)

I refigured and came up with 4,000,000 X 0.00007 = 280(Is that right?)

Nazi’s we fought against… NOT are becoming(minor detail, not the point. Need a refresher on the speed reading?).

‘Going postal’ - The LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA has changed in the last 20 years[thank you, Mr. Murdock!). with more outlets - FOXNEWS, MSNBC, the internet, etc., you’ve got more sources looking for that special story that will move the talkinghead to the spotlight($) and the network up in the ratings($).
Study the facts and you’ll see that the #s of crimes(depending on the category and what source you use[a lot of LIBERALS found ways to downgrade crimes to make their cities SAFER to live in/move to]) stayed even or dropped a little. Many big cities rates rose, but STATES WHERE CONCEALED CARRY LAWS WERE INACTED HAD RATES DROPPING(unlike the UK and Australia :lol: :wink: ).

Quoting myself-
“THE RIGHT TO THE HEALTH CARE OF OUR CHOICE THAT WE CAN AFFORD AND IS ACCESSIBLE”
my mistake was UNDERLINED. I meant choice of those we CAN AFFORD and are ACCESSIBLE. We cannot afford every choice, nor is every choice available.

F_S, :roll: , there you go again! :roll:
“Violence, Murders, Passionate Murders & Accident with Handgun are very high in the US, so i don’t see how i can “look at the fact”…. Anyway the fact is; i don’t care. American want handgun; there choice, they can capital punishment; good for them. I don’t care.”

You give NO #s in your statement. Capital punishment- I DON’T WANT CAPITAL PUNISHMENT - IT’S TOO QUICK(besides they might be found innocent[by DNA, thank you USA])!Painting with a broad brush , again, aren’t we
“there(their) choice” - YEAH, we got choice, even in abortion(which I don’t want my taxes paying for[you make the mistake , you pay for it - and your kid(s), too]). We can chose to carry a gun or not. The punks won’t know who’s packin’(concealed carry) and may get stopped[‘freeze!’ or ‘Bang!’, one wounded/dead, bad guy]by a mousy bystander or the lil ol’ lady he was try to hassle/ stick up. There’s JUSTICE for you.
And if I’ve got my ‘equalizer’, you can have/use your free speech and other agreed upon rights(by law) with less fear of these rights being taken away.
Murders are commited with knives, cars, ropes, ledges, windows, wire, cricket bats, electricity, water, etc. Those with murder in their hearts will find a way. When the guns are gone what will you remove next, and how will VICTIMS DEFEND THEMSELVES?

You said, “… I don’t care.”
I say, “Au contrare, you do care!” If you didn’t you wouldn’t be attempting to sway others to your point of view! No one should try to fool themselves, or others, in this regard. When you post/chat you seek validation or to sway others. HERE IT IS THE LATTER FOR VOU.
Do not let frustration shread your arguments.

Market regulation? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Isn’t that gonna be like the rodina . . . assigned work for every worker?
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Speaking of civilized cultures, let’s talk about the bullfighting ring in Arles, France :P ) :oops: ,I didn’t type that, did I? - Xi :wink:

I refigured and came up with 4,000,000 X 0.00007 = 280(Is that right?)

Sorry, but that number is a tad too low. I think your earlier assumption 28,000 may have been correct.

2,000,000 thwarted crimes a year(that’s with an estimated 300,000,000 guns in a country with an estimated 281,000,000 people. Find the # of murders by illegal guns, and accidental deaths and compare that to the 2 M. thwarted crimes. In schools districts where NRA gun safety is taught the

Yeah, that’s what I thought. I know that the number of DGU’s usually fluctuates between 1.5 million to 2 million. As for 5 million, that’s a little too crazy.

STATES WHERE CONCEALED CARRY LAWS WERE INACTED HAD RATES DROPPING

Absolutely true.

Capital punishment- I DON’T WANT CAPITAL PUNISHMENT - IT’S TOO QUICK

What do you mean by this? Usually it takes 10+ years to kill someone after they are convicted.

I just don’t want to get an argumentation about weapon Xi, it’s even harder than with god, there is so much contradiction… you can look at a state that was better with gun, but the whole country still get lots of crimes… also there is a distinction between crime and murder (France get lots of crimes, but far less death)… so it’s very complicated, and obviously not my domain, i hate to get an argumentation when every single fact is in contradiction with the other. I just think having gun will kill more people (even if, IF, it reduce crimes)… There are numbers to support my belief, as there is number to support yours, i do not want to get in very hard interpretation… Like, exept for theological argument, i don’t enter in ideological argumentation, certainly not about economy.

I am off this…

Fin

MATHWIZARDS,

HELP! Is the following calculation correct?

I refigured and came up with 4,000,000 X 0.00007 = 280(Is that right?)

It is correct.

@Xi:

0.00007 % of 4 million is …. 2,8 !"(What the ____ kind of # is 2,8?)

I refigured and came up with 4,000,000 X 0.00007 = 280(Is that right?)

2,8 is 2.8 in the german way to write it.
4,000,000 US would be 4.000.000 german.
I forgot to mention or think of that, sorry.

But 1% = 0.01: %, percent: latin: per centum = by hundred
Therefore 0.00007 not= 0.00007 %

0.00007*4,000,000 is 280, as you just got the factor of 100 wrong

Nazi’s we fought against… NOT are becoming(minor detail, not the point. Need a refresher on the speed reading?).

I was referring to your intended pun on:

(that’s NATIONAL SOCIALISTS to you , MR. WORLD SOCIALIST),

And i wonder how you come think i said you were becoming nazis….
could you give me a hint?

Thanks for the support, E_G_,

T_6, I said,
‘I DON’T WANT CAPITAL PUNISHMENT - IT’S TOO QUICK’
meaning, when we killum they’re dead! I would rather keep
em alive, on a bland MDR diet, no heavy exercise(push ups in the cell okay), no computer, no library(no magazines or candy or cigarettes). I think solitary confinement would be excellent(read that I’m a liberal below :lol: ).

F_k, I am hurt that you didn’t read my apology at the end of my post. Next time I will place my apology at the start of the post to save you some effort :wink: - Xi

In the US 1% or 1.0% means one percent. The third 0 to the right of the decimal point represents thousandths. Thus, 0.00007% means seven - hundred thousandths of one percent. I guess math is not a universal language after all!

Sorry, F_k,
c_c_ said" It doesn’t make the US a Nazi state…" and I dina read it correctly.
I don’t think I was responding to you @ that point in my soliloque.

F_k said, ‘your definition of ‘best’ is clearly not mine. And hey, you mention Lawyers, the secret rulers of your states, and the insurance companies… do you want to deny the free market its freedom to friggin do what they want, and if they can afford it not care about the customers at all? That is the way of capitalism… you should have learnt that much by now!’

Yes, we disagree.(The JEWS and McDonald’s are actually “the secret rulers of . . . our states”!)Let’s look at ALL the benifits and inventions wrought upon the world by the freedom of capitalism . . .
Oh, wait! We don’t have time to go over 226+ years(some benifits came before the US[and Canada and a few other capitalist countries] was founded)! But, we might have time to go over the few short term kinks in the system that need to be worked out . . .
Oh, wait! We haven’t taken the time to get the education to solve these problems on this string! However, if you wish, I will wait the 8 years it will take you to get the education you’ll need and the additional 20-30 years of experience you’ll need to be able to speak in depth with an adequate level of knowledge and wisdom.
I’ll not hold my breath :) .

Xi’s Quote: "…envirowackos and vegans… "

F_k said ‘no comment’

Sorry, I was a lil out line thar. But, to clarify, ENVIRONMENTAL EXTREMISTS(like those whinning about the hole in the ozone layer_) And to clarify, VEGEMONGERS(my word for) those who emotionally or forcefully try to get others to eat only vegetables. Did you know that one of the organizations that lost office space _in the WTC bombing was a ‘chicken liberation group.’ The spokeswoman said, "More chickens lose their lives every day of the year than humans died on 9-11-2002?Now that’s TERROR."I heard her.

Xi said ‘I believe the system will collapse from pressure from within and without. For example, we now have a nurse shortage…’

F_k said ‘Oh, but … that means that the almighty market does not regulate itself properly! The very basic claim that capitalism builds on… how dare you!
You must be a communist, liberal, socialist, european, gay, intellectual, jewish, muslim leftist!’

I don’t make that claim. We communist, liberal, socialist, European, gay, intellectual, Jewish, Muslim, leftists must always be on guard!
Aren’t you mixing your metaphors? :P …I mean stereotypes.
Thanks for the compliments!
Waaaaaait a minute . . . Who’s insulting who?

Xi said, ‘Anti-social, MY ASS, and you can kiss it, too! (Just to be clear, this is a derisive remark. It is not anti-social, it is not politically correct, nor is it homosexual in nature.)’

F_k said, ‘Well, at least he can do maths, wanker…’

I reiterate…Who’s insulting who? Besides . . .‘maths’?

F_k said, ‘(i don’t see any need to stay polite after this posting that’s so full of insults that it spills over the top).’

I am hurt that you didn’t read my apology at the end of my post. Next time I will place my apology at the start of the post to save you some effort :wink: - Xi

Please, use correct capitalization. Oh, I see English is not your primary mode of communication. With all this miscommunication I was beginning to wonder if it was mine :-? :P .
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By the way, what’s a wanker - sincerely, WANKER(Xi) :roll:

Maybe we ought to move this string somars( :P ) else.__

Xi, you are a wanker!
(Sorry, I have no idea what that means either :-?)

@Xi:

In the US 1% or 1.0% means one percent. The third 0 to the right of the decimal point represents thousandths. Thus, means seven - hundred thousandths of one percent. I guess math is not a universal language after all!

Well, what is one percent then? ( i just noticed that i dropped zeros in my above post, these will be edited by me after this one).

One percent = 1% = one hundreth = one over hundred = 0.01 ……
Therefore:
0.00007% = 0.0000007 = 0.7 over one million
the above times 4 million equals 2.8 …

Sorry, F_k,
…
I don’t think I was responding to you @ that point in my soliloque.

ok

…
Let’s look at ALL the benifits and inventions wrought upon the world by the freedom of capitalism . . .
Oh, wait! We don’t have time to go over 226+ years(some benifits came before the US[and Canada and a few other capitalist countries] was founded)! But, we might have time to go over the few short term kinks in the system that need to be worked out . . .
Oh, wait! We haven’t taken the time to get the education to solve these problems on this string! However, if you wish, I will wait the 8 years it will take you to get the education you’ll need and the additional 20-30 years of experience you’ll need to be able to speak in depth with an adequate level of knowledge and wisdom.

I don’t think i understood you right there….
But well, if 226+ years are not enough time to educate the people and solve those “short term” kinks, then mankind is doomed.
For your comment on age… if you are so old and wise, how comes that you are not able to find out the meaning of the insult i used down below?

But, to clarify, ENVIRONMENTAL EXTREMISTS(like those whinning about the hole in the ozone layer_)

Have you ever been to Australia ? How many ppl over …say 65 years of age … did have skin cancer there, compare that to data of the northern hemisphere.
The hole is there, and it is alive and well, and it will be alive and well for the next 20 years at least …
We stopped the worldwide emission of chlorated carbohydrates just a few years ago. It takes several decades until the cch reach the upper atmosphere. So, we still have a few years ahead of us, before we notice the effect.
“short term kinks” … when it comes to human lifespans, i think calling that short term is cynical.

And to clarify, VEGEMONGERS(my word for those who emotionally or forcefully try to get others to eat only vegetables(Did you know that one of the organizations that lost office space _in the WTC bombing was a ‘chicken liberation group’ whose president actually said, “More chickens lose their lives every day of the year than humans died on 9-11-2002?Now that’s TERROR”, I heard her.)

Planning to close the second bracket?

Aren’t you mixing your metaphors? :P …I mean stereotypes.
Thanks for the compliments!
Waaaaaait a minute . . . Who’s insulting who?

look up:
-irony
-satire

Xi said, ‘Anti-social, MY ASS, and you can kiss it, too! (Just to be clear, this is a derisive remark. It is not anti-social, it is not politically correct, nor is it homosexual in nature.)’

F_k said, ‘Well, at least he can do maths, wanker…’

I reiterate…Who’s insulting who? Besides . . .‘maths’?

Yes, maths…. see above.
And yes, i was insulting you there. And i explained why i felt free to do so.

I am hurt that you didn’t read my apology at the end of my post. Next time I will place my apology at the start of the post to save you some effort :wink: - Xi

Please, use correct capitalization. Oh, I see English is not your primary mode of communication. With all this miscommunication I was beginning to wonder if it was mine :-? :P .

Sorry that my english was not good enough to recognize your apology as such.
For my capital letters: i will use them properly only if you start to:
-spell correctly
-close all brackets you opened
-speak my native tongue as good as i speak english

By the way, what’s a wanker - sincerely, WANKER(Xi) :roll:

Well,
GOOGLE IT !!!
it doesn’t hurt, doesn’t take you more time than i needed to type this……__

wow.
that’s really nitpicky.
Not to get involved in your little lover’s quarrel, but . . .
i already had an assumption about wanker, but i don’t feel like looking it up, so i’ll go with that assumption . . . in which case a wanker isn’t really an insult so much as an adjective like “use-the-toilet-standing-up’er” etc.
and that “second bracket thing”. EEEEEEEEE.
is my lack of use of capital letters bothering anyone else? i started to not capitalize my “i’s” and things kind of just drifted from there. (note: when i write in charts i print in ALL capital letters for the sake of legibility).