Operation Barbarossa Prevention 2nd Edition

@cds

Thank you! Seems like G2 is better than G3.

Any special rules in dealing with french controlled north africa

K thanks!

@manstein39:

If Germany is going Barbarossa, I usually buy the following on the first three turns:

US1: CV, DD, Fighter save 1 IPC
US2: CV, Fighterx2
US3: TTx4, Sub

That way you can use 3 transports to pick up your 3 mechs and drop them on Brazil.  Your other 2 transports and your other navy can drop the remaining US starting units in Gibraltar.  This can be reinforced with a UK air base and fighters and any ships they may have available to protect against axis counters.

Hey folks,

I did read the entire thread. However I have to say that imo manstein’s post looks like the only thought through strategy to me.
I cannot believe that waiting till round 6 to have a least a chance of an invasion in Europe can be a good strategy. I have to admit that I mostly played Axis so far but I think it is key to disturb the German and the Italian AS EARLY as possible! We need to keep in mind that also an NO is linked to Gibraltar, so leaving this for 2 rounds just gives Italy extra resources.

Thanks manstein, to me your strategy is an optimized way to get the maximum as quick as possible to Europe!

I really doubt that mass bomber early can be the way to be. Sacrificing bombers vs fleet or using them as cannonfodder in Moscow is wast of IPCs. I think the key is to get a landing in Europe which cannot be countered easily in the next turn. THEN you need air to attack further territories or fighters to defend.

However as I said I still need to get experience with US. I will certainly go the “drop quickly” way:-)

Thanks!

He’s talking about putting a navy in Sz110 that can fight off the Germans handidly.

You can’t get to Sz109 from Sz112 unless you go through Sz119 or Sz110, so if they are both blocked you are SOL and can’t land units in London.

Maybe instead of posting in every thread all the time, you should just post in threads after you read them thoroughly.

And No, you can’t fly a fighter from West Germany to Sz119 to Northern Italy.

Sz112, Sz111, Sz119, Sz111, Sz112, West Germany, Northern Italy. That’s 7 Movement points, last I checked Italy doesn’t start with a bomber, and you can’t build one on I1, do fighters fly 7 in the games you play?

Get off the drugs dog! :P

I’ve only played as the allies in my one game, but my opponent waited for G4 to attack and it has not turned out well.  A southern Soviet counter offensive has put the Balkans into allied hands, but the supply line is long and both Italy and Germany are busing back.  I think if Italy can get a few tanks and mechs in Syria that they could do a lot of damage in the middle east or southern/eastern Russia.

I think Italy and Germany attacking together would be best for the axis.

@Koningstiger:

@taishan:

@Col.:

From my initial look at the board, I don’t think Germany should attack until G3.  On G1, Germany can activate Finland with an infantry and artillery on the transport (and the transport will be safe because UK can’t land planes in Russia (from movement rules and major power neutrals) and can’t send ships through the strait, and activate Bulgaria.  Then on G2 the transport returns to 112 (I think) and the Bulgarian infantry move 1 territory into position.  Thus for G3, the transport can be used again to amphibiously assault Russia and the Bulgarian infantry can be used in the first attack.

Rule question:
Is it really possible to make an amphibious assault on Finland on G1, considering you haven’t declared war on Russia yet. Can you share SZ115 with russian BB and T without it being a wardeclaration?

Yes, Finland is a pro-axis minor, so technically it’s not an amphibious assault. Taking over countries that are on your side, happens in the NON-COMBAT phase.

Sharing a sea zone is not a declaration of war. However, if you intend to right away amphibiously assault, say Novgorod, then naval combat would occur as technically you are supposed to declare war BEFORE the biggining of the combat move sequence. If the German vessels are only there to land troops in (pro-Axis) Finland, they can share the sea zone with Russian vessels without any problems (as long as they’re not actually already at war with Russia of course…)

Its no Amphibious assault like Koningstiger made clear,
you simply unload your troops in the non-combat phase
so no conduct combat phase takes place…

I think the idea is to make attacking Russia as Japan not wise unless the US pays no attention to that front, at which point the energy which would have gone into fighting the Eagle can instead go to the Bear.