It doesn’t work together…

Any patch or trick t make it work…?

Hi again!!

My tactic is crap!!!

-Because I did forget about some things…

1)Fig are not placed on Ac directly when purchased…

2)Panama must be taken to allow jap fleet to atlantic… as you said…

I’ll have to figure out something else…

I’ll then forget about the french IC for the start at least…

Any ideas on how to secure and keep the Uk seazone from the allies?

I think securing it is the only way Germany has a chance to contain the russian by having mostly one front war…

Hi guys!

I’ve read your replies and have considered a few things… I still would like to brainstorm the idea with you two and maybe use RR to give this a chance… Agreed?

Let’s consider Russia restricted case… which makes matters simplier and more fair for the axis…!

Turn 1

The fleet thing:

I don’t know how you see things but the uk is certainly unable to attack the med fleet because of some things:

First: the uk waters (bshp, tr + rs tr and rs sb) is attacked by baltic fleet tr+sb and 1bmb+5 fig…

On the attack you have firepower: 2+15+4 and one fodder, average 3.6 kills… good chance of killing all 4!

Defense: 4+1+1+2 average 1.2 kills… or 1.1 if the g sb did strike home.
This means that only one casuality for the G is very likely… leaving a sb or tr for blocking the uk airforce to hunt med fleet this turn!

Even if the G did only kill 3 the 1 loss only, has 33% chance of still happening… the remaining bsp can miss too in the second round of combat.

The med fleet + atlantic sb should blow the bshp in one turn with 33% of no retaliation… and 66% of making it without losses anyways…

Thus good chances are to leave a Bshp, a sb and a tr in non combat moves there.

You should agree then that it’s likely that a tr or sb is still in uk waters and/or the med fleet has 2-3 ships left which can be difficult to deter with 2 fig and bmb…

The IC in france can not be taken by canada tr or us tr because there is 2 inf and 1 fig that was forced to land there…

Now the eastern front:

• I have considered your answers and come to the following conclusions:
  I would then go for leaving everything in EEu with an AA from italy or france, leave an inf in caucasus.

I believe the russian shouldn’t be able to attack this force there with success: 9 inf, 8pz, 4 fig, 1bmb and 1 AA against 17+ inf, 3 tks, 2fig.

In africa the standard moves are done, leaving the 2 inf Seu in lybia (alternative later)

Collect 35 ipcs. (totaling 52 ipcs now.)

Uk has no fleet left except a tr in canada, a lonely sb in suez and a lonely tr in india… Uk shouldn’t be able to hunt med fleet (because of survivor) and/or has a great chance of facing a bsb, a tr and a sb with 2 fig and a bmb…

Note: I’ve considered to land an inf in Gibr aAlgeria to prevent the Br fig from joining the hunt… instead of landing in Lybia, Good idea or not?

Will uk rebuild a fleet that can be trashed again by a Bshp, a tr, maybe a sb and 5 fig and a bmb? Even with 2 fig from Us on a br Ac and a tr this is very risky don’t you think?

Or will they try to defend asia… slowing the jap? (IMO best option)

Japan goes sov far east and china and every attack fleet possible to pearl harbour: 2 Bshp, 1 sb, 2 fig, a Bmb… This means on average Us fleet sunk in one turn, retaliation is likely one loss only (sb)

Us can try to make it with Pac fleet to Panama but will be caught by the huge Jap fleet… So what’s the option?
-IMO Us should hit back with 2 fig a bmb, a tr, a bshp… This should cause lots of damage…

If Us don’t do that they can build a heavy fleet in EUs intimidating the Jap to strike in the next turn… But this ties up all money and is very risky too if the jap goes berserk aswell…

Or Us can hide fleet in Alaska and build things to help Britain…

I mean Us fleet going to Atlantic is non-sense don’t you think considering the huge jap fleet in hawaii?

Us or Uk taking finland with a tr is non sense too turn 1 and turn 2 or explain me how?

They should be able to land something in Algeria to try to hinder the G but then they lose the tr next trn…

Turn 2
The russian is unable to take more than Ukr… shouldn’t risk taking finland aswell… or if he does EEu could be a serious threat… The Karelia mountain of inf should be around 23+ inf there now!

G does what it can in africa…
Consider retreating with everything to Germany leaving an inf behind in EEu, maybe retaking Ukr if lightly defended…

Trashing the new Uk fleet with Us fig or not… Losses should be minimal ( 1tr and maybe a fig or 2 fig or so) depending on if Us sacrificed a tr to block med fleet…

Moving Med fleet to uk waters if not done in combat… Reinforce with a Ac, 2 fig a tr…

Collect 32 or so.

If the jap is able to pass through with fleet in Atlantic… joining Uk waters by turn 4… You should agree that Uk waters will remain German and Landing in Europe should be very difficult…

-Eating Russia from east has begun for the jap… because the russia stockpiled everything in Karelia as common tactic recommends…

Uk can not build fleets at all this turn and is restricted to airforce or trying to hold india with IC but this is now risky as the jap has a firm grip there having the whole first turn unhindered by Russia, Us or Uk…

You tell me what Uk does this turn because I don’t know…
If Uk didn’t buy a fleet turn 1 (as I recommended)… It should have a chance to hamper the jap in russia.

Us has the difficult choice: Reinforcing pacific fleet if still alive… Or building a new one in Atlantic that can be smashed by both Japanese and Germ?

Or should Us go aircraft heavy with Brit to eventually blow at great sacrfices the Jap and Germ fleet?

Turn 3

Russia should go all EEu but should leave reinforcements in Karelia (Germ has fleet that could go backdoor way…) and East because Jap is near…

G3
Germany faces 25 inf or so in EEu with 9 inf or so, 8 pz 4-5 fig, 1 Bmb… Not enough to strafe… So germany goes mostly inf around 10-11 or 8 and tr in uk waters depending on Allied airforce presence around… AND Stack inf in germany leaving an inf or two in Italy…

Jap should go further east in russia and pass through to atlantic…

Uk… I realy don’t know… you tell me!

Us… Difficult to speculate too… Fleet? Airforce?

Turn 4

Russia should be unable to smash through germany all at once due to lack of offensive power… and should therefore go for italy with few inf, stack inf in EEu and either defend against jap in east or gamble in producing tanks for final assault in germany in the future… (taking another turn, build in Karelia and try all forward next turn)

G4… Infantry and usual tr in uk waters if Jap doesn’t make it with enough numbers to uk waters…
Should retake italy with minimal forces… Or Go all out in EEu with 6-7 fig, a bmb, 8pz, 17-20 inf against the 25+ inf, 3 pzs, and 2 fig (if there) if the odds are good!

If not attacking, Russia will face 25-30 inf next turn plus the usual attack force…

I’ll stop there because it gets pathetic trying to guess what’s next…

As I have played it…

Holding uk waters is possible while trading terrain for time to the russian… and works best with RRestricted…

Jap has free hands in asia the first 3 turns… meaning rapid powerhouse, minimal losses, and strongest possible pressure on soviet early…

The tides turn somewhere in turn 5 or so when the russian no longer outnumbers the G and definitely has too few offensive power to take germany… Beginning the long retreat home to protect russia…

Us and Uk get confused the first 3 turns as the usual shuck-shuck is hampered… Building fleets that go down directly at low cost for G and Jap is terrible especialy seeing Asia and Africa being seized with relative ease and the russian moving around his mountain of inf without doing much damage (only an inf a turn)…

If Uk and Us goes asia and africa instead of normal allied naval and air strategy… Things get more difficult as Germany can’t defend africa, build a fleet and hold the russian at the same time… but then needs less Ipcs to maintain uk fleet floating…

Japan gets also in trouble if allies realize early that G is mostly a delaying action… to give time for Japan to grow unstoppbale!

Best result of all is if the allies get very confused… Russia goes all forward and tries to hold the jap too late while… Us tries first to help britain and builds fleets too late… and Uk build fleets after fleets… and sometimes try to help asia… and when all goes eventualy wrong is itself under pressure from multiple possible assaults from uk waters to either karelia, canada, uk, us in just a turn…

The tactic works okay depending on opponent reactions… But so far most fun is seing haughty allies getting confused, disagree with each other and forced to think twice of what to buy and how to do the best allied general strategy… At least the game gets interesting for ALL players!

Last thing, as I see it for G…

The biggest problem with G’s offensive in russia is SUPPLY and Logistics…
Trying to mount a succesfull offensive from EEu is impossible (unfair) because the new inf are deployed in germany… meaning terrible delays to EEu… and that race is won by Karelia who can place their units directly there…

2 Solutions I thought of:

1. buy early IC in EEu! Now the inf race is more fair… EEu shouldn’t fall or be forced to be abandoned… and Karelia isn’t safe anymore…

2. Go bomber heavy, both jap (from manchuria or china eventualy) and G (from berlin) and try luck at early strat bombing of Russia/Karelia from both… 4-5 StrBbings a turn can be devastating to russian inf building in Karelia if you are lucky…
   -The problem is keeping Us and Uk busy during the 3 first turns…

Have you tried these 2 tactics?

PS: I can only play the boardgame… and I’m in Sweden!
Or if you know of any MAC version I can get my hands on… (any free download? I would be happy to play with you as the axis or G… trying to make it difficult and interesting for the allies before eventualy getting trashed!

Hi agian…

I misunderstood a few things…

1)You take finland with mucho infantry… cool! Now they are even further delayed!!

2. risking only 2 inf each on attacks against EE and Ukr (if they have 2 inf each) is risky too…

Anyways you must admit that playing russia with 3-4 turns against germ and japan ALONE while us and uk try to figure out how to destroy the germ fleet or prepare for defense is not a good thing!

Cheers!

Hi!

Interesting… Would realy take the bait and attack finland with 3 inf +1 arm against 3I+1 arm…?
That battle could be lost or won phyrric style…

Taking ukraine is a good idea… expect some losses if you go to light there too… 3 inf 1 arm against 2 inf… is risky if your troops miss the first round…

Taking EE with 2 inf 2 fig is risky too against 2 inf… (It can go bad and if it does… would you sacrifice fighters just to take control of it?) anyways… EE will be taken back with say 3 inf and 1 armor…

The New uk fleet should be attacked by med fleet (1bs+1tr+1 maybe a sub) and 5 fighters and 1 bomber… should wipe it all at the cost of tr, (sb), fig…
Leaving the med battleship and new ac and 2 fig and a new tr there!

IPC should go down only by 2-5 depending if finland did fall (EE retaken)… and africa could see some gains too if the british withdrew to india realizing he put all efforts on a new fleet that might sink again…

G Losses turn2 : 1 tr, (sb), 1-2 fig, 1 inf: cost 23-44…
Allied losses: 2 tr, 2 fig, 1-2 inf, ac: 61-64…

Collect around 30 but more importantly… 2 full turns have passed…

-The allies have no fleet at all (provided the jap followed/crushed the US pacific fleet through the canal… to ultimately join for uk waters!).

-The japanese should have no problems since UK spent all money on a fleet that was sunk again… Russia is still busy with germany…

-The russian tempted by baits didn’t go all forward to berlin afraid of the EE deadzone… and won 6-8 ipc at some losses… and lost east russia to japan… losing 4 ipcs… and 3 for EE retaken, so the real gain is what -1 to 1 ipcs?

-US and Uk have nothing left except 2 bm (1us, 1uk), 2fig (2brit) some odd infantry and armor… to try to hinder the germ fleet in uk waters…

This setting enables a great turn 3… Russia is alone! UK and US should now pile up inf and fighters for home defence or suicide mission on german uk fleet…
-German 3 should go all inf save a tr for uk fleet… EE will be retaken as many times as needed at minimum loss giving time for japan to eat the russian…

As soon as japan joins fleet in uk it’s game over allies… or a long painful death… while axis has hands free to take brazil, australia, alaska, east russia, india, africa… 2 ac ,2 bsh, 4 fig and lots of tr… is more than uk and us can buy planes for and still defend thier homelands just in case…

The tactic is the common allied tactic in reverse… trade space for time with germany while japans grows and continuously build the largest invasion fleet in uk waters to either go uk, us, canada or karelia… all that in just a turn, make sure to do the shuck-shuck sound with a smile…!

This threat is enough to keep all allies unsecure and busy don’t you agree?

*Just try it if you are used to play with germany as well…, the allies will be confused… most allies would think the ac, tr and fig is for med… but no! it has more daring plans!

Hi!

I’m new to this forum but I have played AA a while…

This tactic is for playing with Russians allowed to attack first…

It’s based on the most common russian first turn:
-attack manchuria
-attack finland
-move fleet into UK

• place 8 inf in karelia.

Germ turn1:
-buy an IC
-save 17 Ipc.

Combat:
-attack Bshp with Bshp, sub and tr. should lose only sub.
-take 3 free ipc in africa.
-attack uk fleet (1bsp, 2tr, 1sb) with 1 sub, 1 tr, 4 fig, 1bb: should lose sub and tr.

Non comb:
-retrieve all units in russia to germany save 1 or 2 inf on each occupied country.
-Rearange units in italy and france as you like but leave most inf in germany.
-Place IC in France.
-Collect 33 ipcs (totaling 50 ipc)

UK has lots of options: strat bomb france (you can always roll a 1!); rebuild a fleet in UK waters, place new IC in india… likely.

Japan should retake manchuria, do pearl harbour and take Sov-far east, build lots of transports.

US: will either hit back at japanese or try to join fleet for atlantic the next 2 turns.

TURN2:

Russia: will liberate both countries in east (should suffer a loss, likely) and have difficulties knowing where to leave tanks or how much infantry in those countries… because you have around 10 inf and 8pz in germany, italy, france

Germ2:
-buy ACarr, 2 fig, 1 tr.

Combat:
-if uk has a new fleet, attack it with all planes, Bshp and remnants of med fleet.

• do what you can to take points in africa, avoid unfavorable combat.
• Strafe the russians in the east if they have lots of troups near germany OR kill it if all tanks are there… Your judgment!

Non combat:

• if uk didn’t build a fleet you could use the med tr to carry over troops in africa.
• rearange troops in europe best you can.
  -place new fleet in Uk waters from france!
• collect 26-30 depending on africa and east retaliation.

I’ll end here… because it’s difficult to predict what the allies will do at that stage.

The idea is to force the russians to attack and retake EE with his stack of 8 newly purchased inf or so with fig/armors piecemeal only to be broken by troops from germany… The russian will have troubles to reinforce this because reinforcements will be delayed from Karelia to EE for each turn.
EE is thus a dead zone for the russian. It can also give a false security to the russian and he will buy tanks too… good for you!

Meanwhile the japanese should do its best to eat russia from the east untill the russian is forced to protect its rear. Japan should also consider making a diversion for invading us/alaska during that time just to force the US to build some kind of pacific fleet…

The Germ should add transports to the “uk french/german fleet” in balance to the british fighters and bb on the island. Save some points for infantries on germany for further strafe operations.

If all goes well… the allies won’t be able to build any atlantic fleet without risking being crushed by the stronger germ fleet and the russian will be compelled to fight a frustrating war in europe and a defensive war in the east…

Slowly but surely germany will either be able to retake lost terriotries in east from germany (thanks to japanese pressure) and even amphibious assault from france/germany against Karelia if the russian gets unwary OR try a total Blitz of britain as soon as you get 6 tr and 12 inf to throw at the island with all planes!! You could also go US if you like the idea… Juts choose what’s easiest to succeed AND hold your call!

The idea is not to build a superheavy fleet BUT just enough strong to withstand all air attacks trading a transport for enemy fighters is a good deal… The idea is more to paralyze Uk and Us and frustrate the russian long enough untill the jap pressure is being felt which should relieve germany from eastern pressure…

Just try it for fun! at least the surprise is great… and tell me how you fared!!

Good Luck!

PS: it doesn’t matter much which country russia took over first as you will retreat most troops back to europe and save ipcs to best face the new situation…