@captainnapalm thanks for going out of your way to help me. I made the same move last time I was the axis, at the end of the game so the US can’t really do anything except spend a lot of resources protecting the coast. Seems like the 50 ipp rule is there to prevent that and is written poorly? Idk maybe house rule it since it is a pretty boring strategy for Italy as well

@captainnapalm ok I’d say that was case closed. Thank you very much. Looks like I will finally get some sleep tonight

@insanehoshi I am definitely overthinking this I agree, mostly because that particular U.S. rule for income doesn’t make sense to me.
The U.S. won’t get back one victory point due to the Monroe Doctrine.
And in this particular game The Allied navies were far from the Med because Italy stayed out of the war.
It is true the Allies can make Italy pay if they are prepared for it, but then Italy just never goes to war, ties up some Allied resources, and gets most of their victory points anyway. Idk, this game hurts my brain. Thanks for your input

@kmtnt I can’t seem to stop thinking about this, I feel like there is something I’m just not getting. I’m going to try to elaborate the question a bit, hopefully I can get someones opinion.

Italy has stayed out of the war and on the second to last turn it decides to place its navy, with a few transports,marines and planes in sz 45. This will threaten 6 U.S. land zones on the last turn, and can cost the U.S. at least one if not several more victory points.

1- On the U.S. turn are they allowed to attack the Italians in that sea zone? (per USA income determined actions at 50 ipp - May engage in combat with German and Italian forces in sea zones within 2 zones of the U.S. east coast without a declaration of war).

2- If the U.S. are not allowed to attack what is the purpose of that particular income determined action?

On the strategic side, (if Italy can place their navy there) is this a cheesey move? Or is it up to the Allies to make sure Italy is threatened enough where this would be a bad exchange for Italy? (in this game the Allies have preferred to reach Europe via Iceland, and it would be unfortunate if the effectiveness of this route was reduced).

Any insights would be appreciated, thanks again

@captainnapalm thanks for going out of your way to help me. I made the same move last time I was the axis, at the end of the game so the US can’t really do anything except spend a lot of resources protecting the coast. Seems like the 50 ipp rule is there to prevent that and is written poorly? Idk maybe house rule it since it is a pretty boring strategy for Italy as well

@kmtnt another question. After allies retake Paris does that become the free French capital, and return to regular France

@captainnapalm I think so too, but it seems kinda shitty Italy can attrack the US mainland before they can do anything with the transports

Sorry if there is clarification elsewhere, I couldn’t find it. Italy is not at war and wants to park its transport in sz 74 to threaten US. Is sz 74 within 2 sea zones per American income determined actions at 50 ipp. Thanks

@noneshallpass Thank you. I was leaning this way too. So for my game, for now, I will consider the issue settled. Thanks again for your help

@trig Thank you for taking a look. I can see this making sense both ways, but I am leaning on the side of if the rules don’t say things are different then you just follow the normal attacking procedure. I will take a closer look at the rules in the next day or two and update if I find anything

@insanehoshi Thanks. There are a lot of rules, kind of gets your head swimming sometimes. In this case I feel like if you’re going to use it on France, you might as well get some extra utility from it with Poland.