Oh and the forces they uses to take take these territories move right onto Russia.  It’s not like it much of a diversion to get from India to Russia with an Arm.  It’s not like a FIG can’t attack India one turn and Rusia the next.  So like they might seed a couple INF for a turn.  The IPC swing more than makes up for that and more importantly its makes up for that with ARM.

Hint it has to do with bombing runs and predicting what your opponent wants to build which inturn castrates his potential moves for teh following turn.

Nope, I’m just a feist guy.  But I do maintain the following.  If all you do is load TP every other turn, a good German player attacks Russia on the turn you can’t attack him and slaughters you on the beaches the other turn.  That strategy is too predictable.  What do you do when I have 4 INF, 3ARM, and 3 FIG in WE on the turn you wanted to come with 2 ARm 6 INF, 1 FIG and 1 BOMB?  Finland stinks unless the GErmans already have a bead on KArelia, that is you are already going to lose.  Putting that many troops into Africa is silly.  Do you have your own capital ship or are you using a Brit ship?  Do they really want to put their forces in Africa and wait a turn?  If not what stops me from sinking 6 TP at the cost of 2 FIGs and replacing one FIG and stranding your guys in Africa?  Throwing everything at the Germans beaches is like hoping you don’t have one bad set of dice.

@DethSkwad:

I frequently vacate India as it isn’t defensible.  I will maintain a counter attack option with 1 guy or so but beyond that its a waste.  Japan will get India sooner or later and putting money into it is stupid.

SUD
What about an Africa which goes grey and just as it is being liberated the Japanese make it yellow?  I’ve found this is really the best the Axis can do there, and it really frustrates the Allies to lose Africa right after liberating it.

In response to another thread about German strat I really don’t think the Germans can be played “intuitively” because very often they must protect themselves and even their units from loss.  It’s not so much that the tradeoff isn’t beneficial but rather that the Germans start with units if various players whereas as the game develops they will be unable to sustain this so they must take advantage of it while they can.  For this reason the Germans should fear a Uk counter of Egypt and should either not attack if they can’t hold, or attack it with so much that they can.

If you vacate India, that means that syou have given Japan, both chinese territories and india, a 14 IPC swing for free with the minimum investment of forces, meaning they can use the maximum on Russia.

I lose a GErman arm anyday to run Africa.

How do you tell a good player from a bad player?
The good player uses his bomber for a bombing run.
The bad player uses his bomber to overwhelm the opponent in a battle that is already won because the numbers tell him that bombing is “inefficient”.

Plus its not swingy.  Placing 5 INF somewhere just unbalances one region of teh board.  Thatas a pretty silly way to play the game.  Everyone knows that the game isn’t balanced because Russia can plop 8 men a turn in KArelia.  It’s really that simple.  Play a game with IPC limit and you’ll know what I mean.  You’ll actually get an ARm every once in a while with Russia and like have to move men around.  The Allies actually have to time there naval movements ahead of time 2 turns in advance.  The game becomes much more balanced and complex with IPC limit.

@DarthMaximus:

Yes they can.   :-D

The problem is, everyone agrees with you that the IC strat will work in a no-bid game.  But a no bid game in general is not that challanging for the Allied player to begin with.

And once bids are introduced this strat no longer becomes feasible b/c most players will place 2-3 inf in Asia making it impossible for the UK player to consider the India IC.

That is all.

Hehehe.  Our house rules aren’t called “The Allied Challenge” for nothing.  Try playing Russia with a 3 unit limit on Karelia.  It is challenging.  Actually it’s probably allot harder than any bid game.

you guys must some shit axis players if all you do is throw TP’s at Germany.  You would get killed aorund here with that crap.

Japan cannot ignore SE Asia.  I am getting tired of talking about this.  Set up the board and try it out.  no bids.

@Avin:

limitedwhole, if all your strategic discussions are based off a no-bid game where starting ICs are limited to their production, with a moderately restricted Russia (but not totally), then everything that everyone is saying here is going to be completely invalid to you, and everything you are saying is going to be completely invalid to them. (I don’t consider the tech advantages you mentioned that important).

It’s like you’re playing two different games here. If I was playing chess against you while you were playing checkers against me, what sort of chaos would result?

Probably most of the people here are used to bid games, on the level I described before. At the very least you need to stick to out of the box rules: if you’re discussing strats based on some wacky rules your own play group uses, you need to be posting in the House Rules forum, not here.

I doubt evrything I say is invalid and everything you say is invalid because of differnet rules.  Also Bids are house rules…duh.  Also I note that you relate bid games to chess while IC limit is relegated to checkers.  Bid games are lame.  they lead to swingyness.  Bid.  Put crap somewhere.  Go nuts.  Duh.  The rules I use simply make it so Russia can’t polp huge stacks at Karelia everyturn and make the game swingy.

Anyhow, I would still play most of the strategy I suggest even in a standard game WITHOUT BIDS.