Operation Sealion a Possibility with AA1940 Europe?

idk_iam_swiss

trust me youll run out or money that wont be an issue

If UK is the country with the split income, they will only have a partial income to fend off the Germans.

idk_iam_swiss

Or you can just spend all your combined income in one theatre

tloger

10 IPC US build, 10 fighters in one round! Thats awesome. Not to say that would be a sound buy depending on what the situation is, but something to think about if japan even attempts to point the bows of her ships towards the US coast.

@RogertheShrubber:

10 IPC US build, 10 fighters in one round! Thats awesome. Not to say that would be a sound buy depending on what the situation is, but something to think about if japan even attempts to point the bows of her ships towards the US coast.

Soounds like what happened at Midway.

SgtBlitz

Yeah, 10 fighters one round, anyone else think that could possibly unbalance the game? Oh well, I think IPC counts are increased overall anyways in 1940.

Though Brain Damaged has a great point, if UK is the country with split income, then Sealion looks even more tempting after all.

Yeah UK will only be able to defend England with a portion of their income.

Gwlachmai

I would think that a combined US income might provide a bit of incentive to keep Japan from making a J1 attack in the Pacific. Especially in light of potentially giving the US a 60-70 IPC income boost. I can’t wait to try the combined game. The only real debate with my gaming group is do we play Europe alone a few times first or just jump right in.

Any attack by Japan on US will be seen long before it arrives and the US will be able to respond with their large income.

SgtBlitz

@Gwlachmai:

I would think that a combined US income might provide a bit of incentive to keep Japan from making a J1 attack in the Pacific. Especially in light of potentially giving the US a 60-70 IPC income boost. I can’t wait to try the combined game. The only real debate with my gaming group is do we play Europe alone a few times first or just jump right in.

Hell, I would like to see just how they balance the Global game more than anything. Or unbalance it. Who would want to play Europe by itself anyway?

Europe and Pacific by themselves just seem like the Axis powers have objectives spread out at the extreme corners of the map, and lack any real reason to concentrate their forces at any particular area for long. Since the Allied powers don’t have attacks coming from the opposite sides of the map, any moves they make are somewhat scripted and lack any real decision making (compared to Global). In the Pacific campaign, Britain HAS to attack Burma and French Indochina with land units. Britain doesn’t have to worry about Italian or German units coming through Persia or the Suez as a second front. Not much room for different builds.

The most fun part of Axis and Allies is seeing Japanese and German troops meet up in the Causcasus and hold off Russian counterattacks. Or Italian carriers, German planes, and what’s left of the Japanese fleet come through the Suez to stop the Allied fleet off Italy. Teamwork. If you start rolling crappy as Germany in AAE40, you can’t expect Japan to come through India and save the day for you. With only one (or two, if you think Italy is a power) Axis sides in Europe and Pacific the game is not going to be as fun.

SgtBlitz

Shameless bump.

Ok, so the split income in AAE40 will be the UK, now a Sealion looks better than ever before if the European UK only starts with 25-30 IPCs and the rest go to India’s IC (Commonwealth player?).

Guess we’ll see how viable it is with the position of the British fleet at game start and how the SZs are placed/organized.

SilverAngelSurfer

I think Sea Lion will be more viable than it ever has been in A&A before (barring mistakes by the UK/Allied player personal experience), especially with the German sub and Russian trade NOs LH has revealed. The potential problem will be how the Allied naval position looks in 1940: Italy will be no help with being stuck in the Med by Gibraltar, extra sea zones between Germany and UK (Baltic will be 3 sz itself), and with whatever extra navy UK gets plus the new French navy, Germany might still have some major issues just getting to the UK to start with…

SgtBlitz

Mostly I hope the devs put in enough balance where Axis fleet builds in the Baltic can give Italy sufficient time to take over the Med and be a significant thorn in UK’s side, if nothing else. Should prevent all naval builds by the UK and force them to build some land units, just in case.

A combined 1-2 punch with Germany and Italy against the UK on Round 2 should be an interesting play. If the Axis can get or maintain naval superiority in the Atlantic before the US enters the war…

bradly

@SilverAngelSurfer:

The potential problem will be how the Allied naval position looks in 1940: Italy will be no help with being stuck in the Med by Gibraltar, extra sea zones between Germany and UK (Baltic will be 3 sz itself), and with whatever extra navy UK gets plus the new French navy, Germany might still have some major issues just getting to the UK to start with…

Maybe the French have a BB and destroyer which will join the UK when Paris is conquered. Or a penalty for Capital German warships could be created. In the real war Hitler had minor interest in a huge German navy.

WILD BILL

I would think the RAF will be a force to be reckoned with, although it can’t scramble from England (unless Larry’s holding out on that). UK could pull in more nearby air if it needs to. Keep in mind that the Germans would have to sail out of the Baltic into an expanded North Sea. There will be several sz for the UK to block movement w/DD (stall). I suppose Italy might be able to send up a few ftrs to can opener for them (plan ahead), but the UK player should see a potential sea lion coming. If Germany starts building transports in the Baltic (don’t think they’ll start with enough) that should be a pretty good clue.

The only surprise would be if Germany got paratroopers (global) and was able to use them right away. That could swing a potential sea lion big time if all of a sudden Germany could para from like 2 AB in Germany, 1 in France, and maybe 1 in Norway. Hell w/4 AB (8 inf) even if Germany had to wait a round to use para it could possibly pull it off. Of course I don’t know how many AB Germany will have in range at start, but it could build some as well.

Now that UK has to split it’s income with India, Operation Sea Lion may become more viable.

Krupp Steel

Was reading a thread where larry said that if Russia isn’t at war by collect income phase on the 4th turn i believe then she will be at war with Germany. So this means 4 turns to gear up fo a sealion ,and crush France .!!EDIT!!- in the FAQ pg.3 reply #43

questioneer

Possible Sealion in E40- of course- if you want to lose.
It will be possible- probably not very winnable though.
:-)

@questioneer:

Possible Sealion in E40- of course- if you want to lose.
It will be possible- probably not very winnable though.
:-)

Care to expound on that comment.

questioneer

Back in the days of Revised there was a decent “Sealion” gambit going around. I believe Larry made sure this time that the Sealion gambit could be possible but not w/o serious repercussions. Best to ask him on his site though.

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