France and what should be done about it.

@Brain:

On the blockhouse issue I think that you should have to select which border they are defending and once placed are immovable, and yes a coastline is just another border.

thats a really good idea, i agree

Well if everyone agrees with that, then we have one more issue; Does a blockhouse have to be built in a territory containint an industrial complex? I say no since it is basically just concrete and is built at its permanent location.

no blockhouses would be built where ever they are desired to be.  Would be a unit that does not enter the game at an IC, since they have no move points.

picking a border in a territory would make them the equivalent of IL’s forts, yes-no?  that would be a fine thing in my view.  The cost will keep them from being at every territory.

Picking a direction (coastline) is a good thing for Axis, like in Japan with one SZ, bad for Uk with multiple SZs.

Well this idea would certainly require some play-testing.

@Captain:

LH 9/5/09

No to Railroad (as much as I love the idea).

There will be TECH system but only in the Global game. . Probably no paratroopers. There will not be blockhouses.
I don’t see blockhouses as a potential TECH.

France will be split into 3 territories. Indeed you cannot attack the same territory from the Med and the Atlantic. There is a central territory called France (it contains Paris). It has an IC. It does not touch coast. Coastal territories of the country (France) are worth far less than central France. No buffer between Paris territory and German border. France has two major ICs (This might change to one major and one minor). France will have a major or minor IC on the Atlantic coast. French fleet will have its own turn sequence… It will be controlled probably by the British player, however. Like any power, if the capital falls it cannot produce new units until it is liberated. France will fall! How many axis units it takes with it is what is in question. France can be liberated… In which case it will receive and activate its own economy. It will also receive a certain amount of infantry units (free) that are immediately placed in the game. Viva le France! England will be two territories…

-was going to ask how rail might work in places like NAmerica and Europe where all the territories had rail systems already.  Redeployment or unlimited rail may need to be limited to units that weren’t involved in combat.  Alas, rail seems to be on the sidelines for these games.

-No blockhouses, not even as tech. Well, hello house rules.  seemed like that one was gonna go through too with Larry.

-France in 3 territories, with Paris touching Germany and 2 sea zones each touching Atlantic and Pacific respectively.  French IC on the Atlantic coast, hmmm… should be interesting.

No blockhouses, no rail movement……

How about a future expansion for the game. Call it Advanced Axis and Allies Europe and Pacific with new rules and new pieces. I’ll bet that would sell as good as the original offer.

So France will have 2 ICs, one of which being a major IC in Paris that touches Germany.  Once the Allies liberate Paris that should be a real fun thing for Germany to have touching it’s border… yipes!

@Imperious:

Yes right. Blockhouse is now a 12 IPC unit firing at 2 or less in opening combat phase at all land units.

If used in normal combat your defending land units are all +1 in combat.

Takes one hit and cant be captured.

Not sure I understand your middle sentence, about “if used in normal combat, your defending land units are all +1 in combat”.  What on earth do you mean? you mean I can choose to either give all my units +1 or I can choose to take a shot 2 out of 6 at each unit before combat?
You should stick to the shooting before combat idea… this new extra ability seems totally different and OP

2 different types of combat the blockhouse defense works:

1. vs invasions with 2 or less against each landing unit first round

2. if you buy them for interior defense ( no coastline) they give all land units +1 in all combat rounds.

Blockhouse is an extensive fortification of fortress unit it can be the Maginot line or the forts at Singapore.

Yes I like this idea, they only add on defense right?

yea.

They cant be captured and take one hit, though i am toying with 2 hits using the logic that its double a AA gun, hitting at 2 but also costing double….so perhaps it should take double hits?

The two hitpoints sounds like a great idea. Now if you could only talk Larry into it. If not maybe FMG could make some blockhouse pieces.

so my infantry and artillery defend at 3, and my tanks defend at 4?  I really think this is an absolutely horrible idea and I am very glad larry harris did not implement it.  sorry i’m coming out so strongly against it, but more unit for the sake of more units does not add to gameplay value, and a unit such as this would shut down entire fronts and turn the game into a defensive standoff, massing infantry stacks, etc.

ok then pick one:

all defending units fire first in combat ( loses removed then attackers fire)

or

apply the same rule as invasions all units attacking get a 2 or less first round

5 rules:

12 ipcs

1 hitpoint and can not be captured (just dies if the controller loses that territory) [could also do zero hitpoints, just like AA gun, and still would not die unless territory is lost]

fires a 2 out of 6 before combat begins on all attacking land units, up to a maximum of 10 land units more than the total number of defending units (just like shore bombard, the casualties may fire their casualty shots)

once in place, it is pointing at a certain territory border and only defends against attacks coming from that border (the border can be land or sea, and therefore does not matter if it is amphibious or regular assault)

is built in place, but can only be built in territories that contain an IC or are adjacent to a territory that contains an IC.  Only one blockhouse per border.

this i think would be balanced
game should start with only 1 of these units, to represent the maginot line.
the fact that it is built in place, and can be built in a territory that does not have a factory (but must be touching a territory with a factory you control) is a big plus for it, IMO

so my infantry and artillery defend at 3, and my tanks defend at 4?  I really think this is an absolutely horrible idea and I am very glad larry harris did not implement it.  sorry i’m coming out so strongly against it, but more unit for the sake of more units does not add to gameplay value, and a unit such as this would shut down entire fronts and turn the game into a defensive standoff, massing infantry stacks, etc.

I see your point and I like your ideas.

Remember all ideas require some play-testing.

@Veqryn:

fires a 2 out of 6 before combat begins on all attacking land units, up to a maximum of 10 land units more than the total number of defending units (just like shore bombard, the casualties may fire their casualty shots)

this seems out of place.  defenses like IL mentioned were extensive and set the attacker in prime kill zones, limiting their ability to attack.  If anything, seems there would have been a limit to how many attacking units could get in range to attack.  Certainly let casualties fire back but no limit to who gets shot at.

maybe the +1 could be only for defending INF and ART, as they could have been more under the protection of the fort and firing out.
a +1 for everything might work great in a D12 version of AA, like Bulge.

yea thats an idea…. the bonus of the fortification roll is limited to the number of defending artillery and infantry!

So its not against each landing unit, but limited to an extra 2 or less for each defending INf and ART in the opening attack phase?

This would be the same rule if you invaded or if you attacked from another land border.

The cost would have to go down to say 10 IPC right???

so, like this IL?

10 ipcs

1 hitpoint and can not be captured (just dies if the controller loses that territory) [could also do zero hitpoints, just like AA gun, and still would not die unless territory is lost]

fires a 2 out of 6 before combat begins on all attacking land units, up to a maximum of the total number of defending infantry and artillery (just like shore bombard, the casualties may fire their casualty shots)

once in place, it is pointing at a certain territory border and only defends against attacks coming from that border (the border can be land or sea, and therefore does not matter if it is amphibious or regular assault)

is built in place, but can only be built in territories that contain an IC or are adjacent to a territory that contains an IC.  Only one blockhouse per border.

i think that would also be fair.  10 or 11 ipcs for such a unit seems right

I have been thinking…( Yes i Know very dangerous)

What we have is this:

Blockhouse: cost 5 IPC per level and can be a two stage fortification. On stage one: all infantry and Artillery get one free roll first in the opening combat round hitting at 1. On stage two: You spend 5 more IPC and now each of your infantry and artillery get one free roll at 2 or less in opening combat round. Each level of blockhouse takes one hit for a maximum of two.

This unit works ONE of two ways:

1. protecting all coastlines from invasion only

2. protecting against attack from all adjacent land territories

Next:

Airborne:

These are normal infantry and can be dropped but limited in quantity to the total number of Bombers , so if you got 5 bombers you can potentially drop 5 infantry. The Bomber can BOTH drop and participate in SBR, but it cannot both drop airborne and be used as an attacking plane ( at 4)

When infantry is dropped in this manner the first round these hit at 2 or less, after that they hit at 1 only. Airborne always fire before any fortifications but after Shore bombardments. If they hit and roll these ones they can disable the fort and render it useless.

Key point: If they ever roll a 1 in that opening round that hit can be applied instead to the fortification.

Now this is brilliant and even i know it.