LL v ADS

I am serious.  I’ve killed both England and America before Russia in LL games before.

Why does KJF work MORE often in LL then ADS?  Because your submarines AUTOMATICALLY score a hit if you have 3 of them.  That means with 6 submarines you have automatically negated the battleship’s primary weapon at sea, their ability to absorb to hits.

Should 6 submarines get 2 hits anyway in ADS?  Yea.  Do they realistically?  Hell fracking no.  In ADS a submarine only has a 33% chance to get a hit.  Period.  It is NOT cumulative.  It is each individual shot getting a hit or missing.  In LL, you add up the punch and that’s what determines your hits.  My experience is it takes 4 or 5 submarines to realistically expect one hit in ADS. Which is why in ADS you have to build more then just submarines with American to win KJF which is why there is that 6% discrepancy between LL and ADS victories.

And I’d show you, if you were not too chicken to get a real man’s gaming platform like Battlemap or Mapview and drop the girlishly little TripleA program.

I’ve lost the original definition: is ADS the “Analog Dice System” ? ;-)

Agree on most analyses comparing Low Luck. Yes, LL makes mistakes more obvious. Yes, strafing is deadly in LL, and avoided by defenders while in ADS the ‘fuzz’ of uncertainty often deters attackers from trying it, and defenders may profit by keeping a territory with a mid-sized force.

Jen had success with different strategies in LL because: 1) they are not much worse than the original, especially if counting own preparedness/opponent shock and 2) she played enough better than opponents met so far ;-)

@Cmdr:

I am serious.  I’ve killed both England and America before Russia in LL games before.

A strat doesn’t work if it doesn’t work often against decent players.
I have been sealioned, and I have done sealion unto others, it doesn’t mean that you can win lots of
games with a sealion strat.

Why does KJF work MORE often in LL then ADS?  Because your submarines AUTOMATICALLY score a hit if you have 3 of them.  That means with 6 submarines you have automatically negated the battleship’s primary weapon at sea, their ability to absorb to hits.

Now we’re back to KJF vs KGF, lets forget about KJF it does not work
against decent players. And KJF is building 90% of US ipc in WUS to use against Jap from rnd 1.
A balanced strat may work better than pure KGF, it may depend on the situation on the map.

Should 6 submarines get 2 hits anyway in ADS?  Yea.  Do they realistically?  Hell fracking no.  In ADS a submarine only has a 33% chance to get a hit.  Period.  It is NOT cumulative.  It is each individual shot getting a hit or missing.  In LL, you add up the punch and that’s what determines your hits.  My experience is it takes 4 or 5 submarines to realistically expect one hit in ADS. Which is why in ADS you have to build more then just submarines with American to win KJF which is why there is that 6% discrepancy between LL and ADS victories.

Very few games that I have seen where good players build many subs,
but subs may be usable sometimes though.

And I’d show you, if you were not too chicken to get a real man’s gaming platform like Battlemap or Mapview and drop the girlishly little TripleA program.

I like TripleA and I like schoolgirls…  :-P
Any strat or tactic that has not been tested in TripleA is not a valid theory  :wink:
The theory of evolution and the theory of gravity are both TripleA certified  :-D

Now we’re back to KJF vs KGF, lets forget about KJF it does not work against decent players.

i wouldn’t say thats true, but this isn’t the place for it, Jen’s comment was stating that it KJF is better in LL, not that KJF or KGF is better. you are reading what she said wrong.

as for the game play platform argument; no need to argue what is better. IF one dosn’t work for some one, then it dosn’t work. if you want to prove your strat, then prove it… take up the the argument with a game in a platform that both/all who are invalved can play.

@Pervavita:

take up the the argument with a game in a platform that both/all who are invalved can play.

I would, but I’m quite concerned that if I got “invalved” I would just end up feeling deflated.

TripleA is an overly cumbersome program that’s bugged and does not work on a large number of high end, quality machines.  I’m sure it works wonderfully on your Windows for Workgroups computers however. :P

Besides, only n00bs use TripleA, they get stomped by the AI daily!

Speaking of which, I’ve used tactics that the AI beats in TripleA to win in LL because LL is broke.  6 Submarines do not equal two hits.  6 Submarines have a 50% chance of scoring NO HITS.  The other 50% falls closer to 3 hits then 2 hits.

The same analysis can be made of ANY unit.  Once you start getting over punch 5 in battles, you start losing realism to the actual game.  (As opposed to realism to history.)  ADS will always be superior in proving strategies in the actual game then LL because LL is a completely different game, as I’ve said before.

And yes, Kill America First, Kill England First and Kill Japan First all work much better in LL then in ADS.  Hell, I still say I could win with a Russian Battleship Strategy if I wanted too.  I can beat the TripleA AI, so I can beat anyone who uses TripleA. :P

Jennifer, when you cannot backup your arguments then you act like a child.
The AI in TripleA was never a part of the discussion on KJF, LL, ADS, or any other rules or setting.

TripleA worked on my laptop with XP, now I use linux, ubuntu. It works well. It’s buggy but it works.
You have to use the latest version to make it work in the lobby, or when connecting to others if you
cannot host. The problem with TripleA is the hosting issue. It’s not a problem to connect
to others though. Has nothing to do with your firewall if you can surf on the net.

@Lucifer:

Jennifer, when you cannot backup your arguments then you act like a child.

I was trying to parody you, dear.  Looks like it struck home because you’re bleating like a stuck sheep.

Easy kids…

Keep it professional…

@ncscswitch:

Easy kids…

Keep it professional…

But, he started it!  He was looking at me!

Are we there yet?  I gotta go potty!

@Cmdr:

I was trying to parody you, dear.  Looks like it struck home because you’re bleating like a stuck sheep.

If you cannot get TripleA to connect to anything/anyone that can host, then you are teh n00b  :-P

I’m giving you an opportunity to totally pwn me, I guess you don’t feel strong enough.
You probably be safer if you keep pretending that you cannot play against anyone using TripleA  :roll:

Not my fault you can’t figure out a simple program that can be run from a flash drive like Battlemap. :P

I wouldn’t use battlamap even if it worked with linux. I do not do PBEM or PBF.
It’s much more exciting to see battles in realtime, rather than sending messages/e-mails back and forth.

PBF is real time.  You just need to sit down and set up a time to play.

TripleA is annoying.  You have to run your carriers out, then your fighters, then delete the carrier moves, and hope that hte program doesn’t crash.  Half the time it won’t load your fighters correctly on new carriers.  It has zero support for national advantages.  You can’t see half the board when playing, you’re kinda stuck looking at one theater then moving to another theater to see what’s happening there (thus it is easy to lose pieces, lose as in not see them and get nailed. - Granted I have the same complaint about mapview) and TripleA doesn’t support some of the OOB rules like building new fighters on old carriers.

PBF is not realtime in the same sense, in triplea you can see opponents moves and other actions the same time
his doing it.
I’m talking bout online playing, you can use both PBEM and online games with triplea.
I don’t use PBM though.

It’s true it does not have 100% 4th ed. support yet, thats bad. Also LHTR is not fully implemented yet.
Thats what lacking in triplea, and hosting issues, apart from that it’s pretty good.
I almost never had any problems in single mode, and usually when playing online its
stable enough, and the save option, if triplea stucks, which happens, but then you can manually save
and reload so dice will not be rerolled for one or several battles during the rnd of the freeze.

You can see the hole board when you’re playing, granted you use the latest stable version.

@Cmdr:

You can’t see half the board when playing, you’re kinda stuck looking at one theater then moving to another theater to see what’s happening there (thus it is easy to lose pieces, lose as in not see them and get nailed. - Granted I have the same complaint about mapview)

Sounds like someone should be asking Santa for a bigger monitor and a better video card with higher resolution

I have a 17 inch widescreen!  That’s big enough to watch movies and I have a kick butt video card and a high resolution monitor.  It’s not my equipment, it’s that program.

Anyway, TripleA is about as real time as sitting down and playing by forum if you are on at the same time.  Just hit the refresh button and you can see every move and every roll as your opponent does it.  But if you are too lazy to hit the refresh button, and don’t mind not having the rules implemented right, or a comprehensive view of the board, and working in a cumbersome environment and, oh yea, having to break the rules to play kinda by the rules (moving NCM equipment to make Combat Moves) then sure, TripleA is fine. :P

In LL, you end up with Agent Smith’s who have years of work with sims to lock down specific strats that always work.

Once again ncscswitch couldn’t pass an opportunity to bait me…

Does this not YET AGAIN prove that you are Agent Smith??? Yes i think it does… everybody was right in their assumptions.
You should not be allowed to play on the basis that you were already banned by all sorts of groups for your continued  vitriolic and ignorant comments.

As a matter of fact nearly 95% of your comments have the same childish remorse:

… “Of course that only works against inferior American strategies based on limited intelligence, faulty reasoning and proves that house rules and variants are designed for the purpose of allowing these inferior strategies a chance to gain acceptance…”

Thats the kind of stupidity we see in everyone of your posts… different words but the same meaning everytime…

Do you have only one record to play?

@nuno:

@ncscswitch:

In LL, you end up with Agent Smith’s who have years of work with sims to lock down specific strats that always work.

Once again ncscswitch couldn’t pass an opportunity to bait me…

Not-so-welcome back Agent Smith.  Glad you finally publicly admitted who you are, now we do not have to pussy foot around with you any longer.

I see you have not changed in the slightest… still all talk and bluster, with absolutely NO substance.  One of those unfortunate souls who refuses to put up or shut up.

@nuno:

Now go entertain yourself censoring/banning me, like you love so much to do.

Actually, you are the only one who is working at getting you banned.  You already expounded on how you were banned from another gaming site.  And you were previously banned in several of your other incarnations from this site.  Eventually you may grow up enough to figure out that it is not the entire A&A gaming world that is out to get you, but that you are just an asshole and that no one wants to have to put up with your shit.