L24: Arthur Bomber Harris vs Farmboy (A+41) OOB


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris I think most if not all of the dice just came in (are you seeing them too? I don’t see philippines yet among them. Still will wait until at least morning but that makes me think it was some weird glitch.


  • I just tried the dice bot to see. I thought I was doing it here but it was in this topic here https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/39917/when-you-need-a-topic-to-use-the-dicebot-do-it-here?_=1719375271935

    you will see that you got the hits you needed and I missed.


  • @farmboy thanks for the rolls! That was a crazy lucky Japan turn.

  • 2023 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 9

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

    Game History

    Round: 9
    
        Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 4 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
                  Chinese take Manchuria from Japanese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Korea to Buryatia
                  Russians take Buryatia from Germans
            1 bomber moved from Korea to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 22 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 22 Sea Zone from Japanese
            1 bomber moved from Korea to 35 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Caroline Islands to Marshall Islands
            2 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to Marshall Islands
            1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
                  British take Alexandria from Italians
            1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Greece to Bulgaria
            2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Korea to Yakut S.S.R.
    
        Combat - Americans
            Battle in Holland Belgium
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Savegame


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris posting in the event you want the sub fight in 36


  • fight with the sub but take the destroyer as the hit. submerge if I ever lose the destroyer


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris sorry I assumed you probably wouldn’t but can redo with dice here.


  • @farmboy probably just means you have to roll the sub the first round with a 1 in 6 chance of hitting? I assume your planes got a hit?


  • If I understand the battle mechanics, there was zero downsides of the sub staying and fighting on turn 1. No chance it would be sunk.


  • low chance. But if I hit with my sub and with air you have to lose your sub to my sub. You can’t take the destroyer as casualty first from the sub so that your sub can’t be hit.


  • might be worth double checking but that is my understanding.


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L24: Arthur Bomber Harris vs Farmboy (A+41) OOB:

    @farmboy probably just means you have to roll the sub the first round with a 1 in 6 chance of hitting? I assume your planes got a hit?

    I’m probably fine doing that as well. if you are comfortable with the rest of the rolls. My sub missed, my air hit and your destroyer hit.

    If I’m right on the mechanics we probably need to do a complete reroll since you need to make the decision on your sub without knowing whether it was hit. But if you are right than it is just a free 1/6 roll and so we can just do the one die.


  • @farmboy I checked through the mechanics and I had no chance of losing that sub even if all of your units hit.

    Please roll its dice. I assume that you had a plane hit on turn 1?


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris I’ve asked about it because I have a recollection being told that one has to take a sub hit on a sub so that air can hit the other units in situations where both the sub and air have hit. But this is easy to correct after and its a minor and potentially moot issue so will do the roll below.

    @dicebot

    defending sub
    at 1
    [dice 1d6]


  • 1d6: 5


  • Thanks! Was worth a try.


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris for sure. I’ll let you know if I get an explanation but I don’t think we need worry about redoing anything here.


  • @farmboy I checked the rule book and you are correct. Thanks for teaching me something new. TripleA has the mechanics wrong.

  • 2023 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17

    TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 9

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

    Game History

    Round: 9
    
        Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 4 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
                  Chinese take Manchuria from Japanese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Korea to Buryatia
                  Russians take Buryatia from Germans
            1 bomber moved from Korea to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 22 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 22 Sea Zone from Japanese
            1 bomber moved from Korea to 35 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Caroline Islands to Marshall Islands
            2 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to Marshall Islands
            1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
                  British take Alexandria from Italians
            1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Greece to Bulgaria
            2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Korea to Yakut S.S.R.
    
        Combat - Americans
            Battle in Holland Belgium
            Battle in Yakut S.S.R.
                Americans attack with 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 armour
                    Americans roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Yakut S.S.R.
                Americans win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
            Battle in Marshall Islands
                Americans attack with 4 fighters
                Japanese defend with 1 bomber
                    Americans roll dice for 4 fighters in Marshall Islands, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber in Marshall Islands, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    1 bomber owned by the Japanese lost in Marshall Islands
                Americans win with 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber
            Battle in Bulgaria
                Americans attack with 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Bulgaria, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Bulgaria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Bulgaria, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Bulgaria, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Bulgaria
                Americans win, taking Bulgaria from Germans with 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in 26 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 26 Sea Zone
                Americans win, taking 26 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Battle in 35 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport
                1 submarine owned by the Japanese submerged
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 fighters in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 35 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 transport owned by the Japanese and 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 35 Sea Zone
                Americans win, taking 35 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Trigger Chinese Destroy Factories Manchuria Americans: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Chinese in Manchuria
    
        Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            3 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            4 fighters moved from Marshall Islands to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to Wake Island
            1 bomber moved from 26 Sea Zone to Wake Island
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Amur
            1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Korea to Amur
            2 fighters moved from Korea to Caroline Islands
            1 infantry moved from Shantung to Kiangsu
            1 aaGun moved from Greece to Bulgaria
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Greece to 92 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 92 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 103 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Algeria to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            2 aaGuns, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 3 transports moved from 92 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            2 aaGuns and 2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to 80 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 80 Sea Zone to 75 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 75 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 80 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            2 fighters moved from Greece to Russia
            1 fighter moved from 80 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
    
        Place Units - Americans
            1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Western United States
            2 infantry placed in Central United States
            1 fighter placed in Eastern United States
            1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry placed in Korea
    
        Turn Complete - Americans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 20 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,5
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,5,1,5
            Americans collect 64 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 64 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 74 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 84 PUs
    
        Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
                  Chinese take Suiyuyan from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi
                  Chinese take Shensi from Japanese
    
        Combat - Chinese
    
        Non Combat Move - Chinese
    
        Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Kiangsi
            1 infantry placed in Anhwe
            1 infantry placed in Kweichow
            1 infantry placed in Shantung
    
        Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 15 PUs; end with 16 PUs
    
        Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
            1 armour moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Persia
            1 bomber moved from Greece to Ukraine
            1 armour moved from Greece to Romania
                  British take Romania from Germans
    
        Combat - British
            Strategic bombing raid in Ukraine
                    Germans roll AA dice in Ukraine : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Bombing raid in Ukraine rolls: 7 and causes: 6 damage to unit: factory_minor
                Bombing raid in Ukraine causes 6 damage total. 
            Battle in Persia
                British attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 2 armour, 1 factory_minor and 2 mech_infantrys
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Persia, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys in Persia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British lost in Persia
                    1 armour owned by the Germans and 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans lost in Persia
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Persia, round 3 : 2/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Persia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Persia
                British win, taking Persia from Germans with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
    
        Non Combat Move - British
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to 80 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 80 Sea Zone to 75 Sea Zone
            4 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Holland Belgium
            1 aaGun moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 2 battleships, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            7 fighters moved from Greece to Russia
            1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Russia
            4 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
    
        Place Units - British
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Egypt
            1 fighter placed in United Kingdom
            1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 110 Sea Zone
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 39 PUs
    
        Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Russia: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Russia: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Americans regular : -2.17
    Japanese regular : -0.67
    Germans AA : -0.17
    Germans regular : -2.33
    British regular : -0.50
    

    Savegame


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris yeah, it is one of those things where we have to correct triple a and it does make that decision a little more complex. You get first strike with the sub and if you hit mine than your destroyer can hit my air. But the odds of hitting are low and the odds of my sub hitting yours are a bit more likely. Probably if I felt I couldn’t lose that sub in the moment I wouldn’t go for it, but often I would since I would think the sub is fairly expendable and it probably survives in any case.

    Offensive has been really getting the rolls the last couple of rounds on both sides.

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