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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 2 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 2 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan Combat - ANZAC Battle in Trans-Jordan ANZAC attack with 2 infantry Italians defend with 2 infantry ANZAC roll dice for 2 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 2 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 2 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 2 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Trans-Jordan 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Trans-Jordan ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Trans-Jordan Italians win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for ANZAC: 2 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch 1 destroyer moved from 46 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone Place Units - ANZAC 2 mech_infantrys placed in New South Wales 1 submarine placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 17 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 20 PUs Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 23 PUs Combat Move - French Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0.33 ANZAC regular : 0.17

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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 2 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 fighter and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 2 infantry moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Yugoslavia to 97 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 armour moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Gibraltar 1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria Combat - Italians Battle in Morocco Battle in Gibraltar Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry British defend with 1 harbour; French defend with 1 fighter Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 fighter in Gibraltar, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Gibraltar 1 fighter owned by the French lost in Gibraltar Italians win, taking Morocco from French, taking Gibraltar from British with 1 artillery and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for French: 1 fighter Battle in Algeria Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry French defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits French roll dice for 1 infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Algeria, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits French roll dice for 1 infantry in Algeria, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Algeria, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits French roll dice for 1 infantry in Algeria, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Algeria 1 infantry owned by the French lost in Algeria Italians win, taking Algeria from French with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for French: 1 infantry Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 4 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 artillery in Normandy Bordeaux, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Normandy Bordeaux 1 artillery owned by the French lost in Normandy Bordeaux Italians win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for French: 1 artillery Non Combat Move - Italians 1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Southern France 2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk 1 infantry moved from Greece to Bulgaria 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania 1 armour moved from Greece to Romania 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 aaGun moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern France Place Units - Italians 1 fighter placed in Southern Italy 1 submarine placed in 95 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1 Italians collect 20 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 20 PUs Objective Italians 3 North Africa: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 25 PUs Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 30 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : 0.00 Italians regular : -3.50 British regular : 0.33

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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 7

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 7 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 submarine moved from 27 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 55 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from 55 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in 47 Sea Zone Americans attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 47 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 47 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 47 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 47 Sea Zone Americans win with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer Battle in 56 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters Japanese defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 3 fighters in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 56 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 56 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 56 Sea Zone Americans win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer Non Combat Move - Americans 3 fighters moved from 56 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 47 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 2 destroyers and 3 submarines moved from 27 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 104 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 88 Sea Zone to Brazil Americans take Brazil from Neutral_Allies 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 104 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern United States to 93 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from West Indies to Morocco 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco Place Units - Americans 1 transport placed in 104 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 carrier and 2 destroyers placed in 11 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 3 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Honan 4 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Szechwan 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Szechwan 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Anhwe 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Honan Combat - Chinese Battle in Anhwe Chinese attack with 5 artilleries and 6 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 5 artilleries and 6 infantry in Anhwe, round 2 : 4/11 hits, 3.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Anhwe, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Anhwe Chinese win, taking Anhwe from Japanese with 5 artilleries and 6 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Honan Chinese attack with 4 artilleries and 3 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 4 artilleries and 3 infantry in Honan, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Honan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Honan 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Honan Chinese win, taking Honan from Japanese with 4 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese Place Units - Chinese 2 infantry placed in Honan 2 infantry placed in Szechwan 1 infantry placed in Honan Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 14 PUs; end with 16 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 4 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan 3 fighters moved from Eastern India to Yunnan 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 23 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Burma to Shan State 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Persia to Iraq 3 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq 2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt 1 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to Nigeria British take Nigeria from Germans 3 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from French Equatorial Africa to French Central Africa 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Belgian Congo to French Central Africa 2 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya British take Libya from Italians 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Malta to 96 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to 96 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 3 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Morocco to 94 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Morocco to Tunisia British take Algeria from Italians 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 128 Sea Zone Combat - British Germans scrambles 3 units out of Gibraltar to defend against the attack in 94 Sea Zone Germans scrambles to create a battle in territory 94 Sea Zone Battle in 94 Sea Zone British attack with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 2 transports; French loiter and taunt Germans defend with 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers British roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 2 transports in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans lost in 94 Sea Zone British roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 2 transports in 94 Sea Zone, round 3 : 4/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 94 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits Units damaged: 2 carriers owned by the British 1 fighter owned by the Germans and 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans lost in 94 Sea Zone British win with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 30 Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers Battle in French Central Africa British attack with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Germans defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry British roll dice for 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in French Central Africa, round 2 : 4/11 hits, 3.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in French Central Africa, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in French Central Africa 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in French Central Africa British win, taking French Central Africa from Germans with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Battle in Shan State British attack with 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 23 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 23 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 7/29 hits, 6.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shan State British win, taking Shan State from Japanese with 1 armour, 4 artilleries, 23 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Yunnan British attack with 3 fighters and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan British win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Gibraltar British attack with 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 1 tactical_bomber British roll dice for 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Gibraltar, round 2 : 2/8 hits, 3.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 tactical_bomber in Gibraltar, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans lost in Gibraltar British win, taking Gibraltar from Germans with 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for Germans: 1 tactical_bomber Battle in 128 Sea Zone British attack with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters Germans defend with 1 destroyer British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 3 fighters in 128 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 128 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 128 Sea Zone British win, taking 128 Sea Zone from Germans with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer Non Combat Move - British 3 fighters moved from 128 Sea Zone to Scotland 6 infantry moved from United Kingdom to Scotland 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to Morocco 3 aaGuns moved from Burma to Shan State 3 fighters moved from Yunnan to Eastern India Place Units - British 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Egypt 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Southern Persia 1 carrier and 1 transport placed in 73 Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 43 PUs Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 46 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 2 infantry placed in Eastern India 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 40 Sea Zone Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 8 PUs; end with 8 PUs Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 11 PUs Units Change Ownership Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 2 infantry Some Units in 40 Sea Zone change ownership: 1 destroyer and 1 transport

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.83 Americans regular : 1.17 Japanese regular : 1.00 Germans regular : -0.67 British regular : -0.67

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@mikawagunichi

Mik-41319_9-UK.tsvg

Did not scramble to E. Turkey because the overwhelming odds. Sent 2 UK infantry + 4 fighters from SZ 100. Another 3 fighters and a bomber from Egypt were supposed to join the fight to bump the UK’s chances of winning to 100%,

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 7

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

Game History

Round: 7 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 6 artilleries and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Vologda to Archangel 1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Belarus 3 fighters moved from Russia to Archangel 2 fighters moved from Russia to Belarus 1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Belarus 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine Russians take Western Ukraine from Germans Combat - Russians Battle in Archangel Russians attack with 3 fighters and 1 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Archangel 3 fighters owned by the Russians retreated Germans win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Belarus Russians attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belarus 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus Russians win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Russia 3 fighters moved from Archangel to Russia 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 3 artilleries and 18 infantry moved from Smolensk to Bryansk 11 infantry moved from Vologda to Smolensk 1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Buryatia 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Smolensk to Bryansk 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov Place Units - Russians 6 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 25 PUs; end with 25 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 1.33 Russians regular : -0.50

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@mikawagunichi lol, thanks a lot!

@surfer said in L24 BM4 Surfer (Allies+23) vs Avner (Axis):

@Avner @Stucifer @pacifiersboard
I apologize for slow play recently. I keep getting pull from work and not getting a chance to play. I hope to clear things up soon…i need to to finish these games by year end!!

hey Sir, np at all - I am forced to slow pace again and again myself :) so how about this: Even if I make it to do some more moves here (but miss to surrender in time) you may claim this match on your Dec 31st !! (In return you gonna wait until then in case that I won’t be moving on?)

Cheers, looking forward to rematch - perhaps during playoff!?