Axis & Allies Global 1940 House Rules Expansion

@the-captain right on just wanted to make sure we’re playing the same way you guys do.

So all members of the Wolfpack return fire 1st rd of combat regardless of any sub hits with a DD present. That was how we were playing it with dice bot, but I got curious last night when I did it with Edit mode on, so I looked it up.

This was what I wasn’t sure of

However,
if the opposing side has a destroyer in the battle, the attacking
or defending submarines can’t submerge or make a Surprise Strike. Combat proceeds normally with your submarines firing
along with your other units in step 3 or 4.

and then

Each attacking submarine conducting a Surprise Strike rolls one
die. Attacking submarines that roll a “2” or less score a hit. After
the attacking player has rolled for all attacking submarines, the
defender chooses 1 sea unit (submarines can’t hit air units) for
each hit scored and moves it behind the casualty strip.

*Then each defending submarine conducting a Surprise Strike
rolls one die. Defending submarines that roll a “1” score a
hit. After the defending player has rolled for all defending
submarines, the attacker chooses 1 sea unit for each hit scored
and removes it from play. *

Once all attacking and defending submarines that conducted a
Surprise Strike have fired, the casualties they have generated
are removed from the game and this step (step 2) is over for
this round of combat.

That was from here https://www.hasbro.com/common/documents/60D52426B94D40B98A9E78EE4DD8BF94/6B7BC7B257E049558181A7D71B822DCF.pdf

So it made it sound like, if you didn’t get a Surprise Strike, then you wouldn’t be shooting at the same time.

Anyway, just wanted to double check :)

@the-captain I did some searching and this is what I was referring to

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/35634/submarines-v-anything-that-isn-t-a-destroyer/6?_=1687299945279

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@Cernel said in Submarines v. anything that isn’t a destroyer:

Here it is an example of the second case:
You have 1 submarine and 1 destroyer attacking 1 submarine alone. The attacking submarine hits.

Excellent example, indeed!

In Revised, the defending submarine fires back.

Correct. As by the rules "Both attacking and defending submarines fire in this [Opening Fire] step. If submarines are present on both sides, they are considered to fire simultaneously. "
The attacking destroyer does not affect the defending sub’s Sneak Attack ability.

In Global, the defending submarine doesn’t fire back.

Correct as the attacking destroyer cancels the defending submarine’s Surprise Strike ability.

@the-captain Cernel and Panther are saying they don’t return fire when hit.

Here it is an example of the second case:
You have 1 submarine and 1 destroyer attacking 1 submarine alone. The attacking submarine hits.

*In Global, the defending submarine doesn’t fire back.

Correct as the attacking destroyer cancels the defending submarine’s Surprise Strike ability.*

Here’s where they discuss it https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/35634/submarines-v-anything-that-isn-t-a-destroyer/6?_=1687299945279

I was thinking one could just amend the Wolfpacks ability to include disabling the DD’s ability to prevent a Surprise Strike. The DD would still prevent submerging.

@the-captain on creation of a Convoy/Escort, I can do that at anytime as long as the conditions are met ?

When an Escort is in the same SZ as a friendly
Transport the owner of the Escort can choose to
create a Convoy.

For example. I have a Escort with no Trprts present. On CM, 2 Trprts move into the SZ with the Escort. Can I then form a Convoy at the end of CM, so any potential scramble would allow the Escort to Defend at 3 ?

@the-captain can’t remember if I’ve asked this already and didn’t see anything in the rules, can AA Guns move in combat move ? They attack at 0 but provide a hit point. Also could land them in amphib attacks.

@the-captain hmm … well they don’t have a defense value or can be used as a hitpoint in oob. I’m gonna assume they can’t move in CM

I must be screwing up. I thought they Defend at 1 ?

Edit
Ok, they do D1 but are same otherwise as oob I think ? :)

Just reread oob rules. So they do count as hit point. Can’t move in CM unless on transport but can’t unload in CM.

So, can’t move in CM. Correct ?

@The-Captain said in Axis & Allies Global 1940 House Rules Expansion:

The only exception is when Air-To-Air-Combat Over Target Area occurs during Strategic Bombing.

What’s different here ?

@The-Captain if I have a Waffen Army where only some of the Units can Blitz , can the Blitz Units Blitz and then join up with the rest of the Army to get it’s Bonus ?

@The-Captain Does the destruction of russian Fctrys only apply to original Fctrys ?

If russia conquered a TTy with a German placed Fctry, they can’t destroy it ? (after a full rd of control) Even if it’s aTTy where an original soviet Fctry was ?

@The-Captain looks interesting. I’ll see if Victory wants to use it next game.

Some of my initial impressions without trying it.
They can’t be deployed until rd 5, so won’t affect the early game.

Unless Axis can control the Med and even if they do, the Choke Points in Suez and GIB will be hard to take advantage of.
Especially with limited Italian income. Unless they have a Fleet protecting there mine layer, a SS and Air can sink them easily.

India may be able to influence IJN if there Fleet is in 36 and they have a NB.

Main thing is they might make Fleets move differently. If a mine does hit, it’s a 6 PU hit. and your Escorts are the 6 PU units. No guarantee they sweep them either.

The biggest place I see them being effective though, would be off Germany in the Baltic. If the Kriegsmarine has been forced back or soon will be, you could sow it heavy.
Fleet and Air could protect your minelayer(s).

That could make the Allies think twice about Denmark and doing a landing in Germany.

But, that’s why you’re testing :) and my assumptions could be wrong as well lol