axis-dominion vs farmboy (allies+12) bm3

Man the dice were quite spooky there in Novgorod

wait, Mongolia becomes friendly neutral??

I am reading it differently, i.e., that once Russia breaks the pact while Mongolia is still strict neutral, Mongolia will always remain strict neutral. (see bolded statement below)

@Adam514 or @gamerman01 can one of you confirm this for us?

@farmboy said in axis-dominion vs farmboy (allies+12) bm3:

Soviet-Mongolian Defense Pact: Due to their mutual border conflict with Japan in 1939, the Soviet Union and Mongolia
have a special relationship. The Mongolian territories (Olgiy, Dzavhan, Tsagaan-Olom, Central Mongolia, Ulaanbaatar, and Buyant-Uhaa) will never become pro-Axis unless one or more of them is attacked by the Soviet Union. Also, if Japan attacks any Soviet-controlled territory that is adjacent to any Mongolian territory, all Mongolian territories that are still strict neutral or pro-Allies, or have joined the Allies as a result of a failed Japanese attack, are placed under the control of the Soviet Union at the end of Japan’s Conduct Combat phase. This is done in the same manner as though the Soviet Union had moved land units into a friendly neutral territory (see “Friendly Neutrals,” page 10). These territories have Soviet control markers placed on them, and their standing army units are placed on the board using Soviet pieces and are controlled by the Soviet Union player from then on. This occurs regardless of the state of relations between the Soviet Union and Japan at the time of the attack, with one exception: If the Soviet Union attacks Korea or any Japan-controlled territory bordering these Mongolian territories while Mongolia is still a strict neutral, Mongolia will remain neutral and not ally itself with the Soviet Union.
In all other respects and for all other purposes, the Mongolian territories are treated as any other strict neutral territory. For
example, if a Mongolian territory is attacked by Japan while still a strict neutral, all of the other strict neutral territories will
become pro-Allies.

thanks Adam, and yah that’s how I always understood it as well. @farmboy is that rule interpretation good enough, or would you rather wait on gamerman to weigh in as well?

@farmboy said in axis-dominion vs farmboy (allies+12) bm3:

I wouldn’t mind getting a second opinion (unless Adam and you feel quite certain). I do read that passage as saying that when Japan attacks adjacent soviet territories, the specific Mongol rules are enacted with the following exception … but that the rules governing neutrality still apply in all other circumstances. So my attack on Manchuria negated the Mongol rules, but did not effect Mongolia’s strict neutrality which now comes into effect. If that makes sense.

But because it is only 1 inf at the moment, I don’t want to drag this out unnecessarily. Why don’t we continue (I will just retreat my inf with the others) and then we can reevaluate in the event that Gamerman’s ruling is different.

ok sounds good, I’ll continue. we’ll see what @gamerman01 rules when he becomes available

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 10

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

Game History

Round: 10

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 fighter, 8 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Siberia to Soviet Far East
              Japanese take Soviet Far East from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha
              Japanese take Sakha from Russians
        1 marine moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        2 battleships, 2 cruisers and 1 marine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 38 Sea Zone to Shan State
        1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 36 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 38 Sea Zone to Shan State
        1 artillery moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
        3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
        2 bombers moved from French Indo China to Hopei
        2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Chahar
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
        1 fighter moved from Amur to Chahar
        1 fighter moved from Japan to Chahar
        2 fighters moved from 36 Sea Zone to Yunnan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Hopei
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Hopei
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Anhwe to Chahar
        1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Yunnan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Japanese creates battle in territory 42 Sea Zone
        Battle in 21 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 21 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 42 Sea Zone from ANZAC with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in Chahar
            Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Chahar, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Chahar, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Chahar, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Chahar
            Japanese win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
        Battle in Hopei
            Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Hopei, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 3.33 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hopei
            Japanese win, taking Hopei from Chinese with 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
        Battle in 44 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
            ANZAC defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/8 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 submarine owned by the ANZAC lost in 44 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine
        Battle in Yunnan
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 5 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                British roll AA dice in Yunnan : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 5 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 2 : 6/10 hits, 5.17 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 aaGun owned by the British, 1 artillery owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan
            Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 5 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for British: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        Battle in Shan State
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 marine
            British defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry; ANZAC defend with 1 aaGun
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships and 2 cruisers in Shan State, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 aaGun owned by the ANZAC, 1 artillery owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Shan State
            Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 marine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 aaGun
            Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 armour moved from Hunan to Szechwan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kweichow
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Jehol
        4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 44 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 21 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        2 carriers moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Hopei to French Indo China
        1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to 35 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 35 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to French Indo China
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Chahar to Anhwe
        2 fighters moved from Chahar to Anhwe
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hopei to French Indo China
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Anhwe
        1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Kiangsu
        3 infantry placed in French Indo China
        3 infantry placed in Malaya
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers placed in Japan

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 62 PUs; end with 62 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.33
Japanese regular : 0.50
British AA : -0.50
UK_Pacific regular : -0.67
ANZAC regular : 0.83

Savegame

@gamerman01 said in axis-dominion vs farmboy (allies+12) bm3:

If this helps too,
Mongolia will never become pro-Axis unless they are attacked directly by the Soviet Union (2nd sentence of those rules), so if UK or US attacks Spain or Turkey for example, Mongolia does not go pro-Axis.

Then the 3rd sentence starting with “Also, if Japan attacks…” to the end of the monster paragraph is all about the conditions that would or would not cause all of Mongolia to become instantly Russian.

Then the 2nd paragraph in the rules starting with “in all other respects” means other than Russia directly attacking Mongolia, and other than all of Mongolia going instant Russian, Mongolia is a normal strict neutral, same as Afghanistan, Turkey, or Venezuela.

ok thank you for clarifying gamer! glad farm boy insisted on getting a second opinion, and you are one of the rules official after all. so I think at least Adam and I learned something new hear, and farm boy got confirmation for what he thought all along.

@axis-dominion said in axis-dominion vs farmboy (allies+12) bm3:

@gamerman01 said in axis-dominion vs farmboy (allies+12) bm3:

If this helps too,
Mongolia will never become pro-Axis unless they are attacked directly by the Soviet Union (2nd sentence of those rules), so if UK or US attacks Spain or Turkey for example, Mongolia does not go pro-Axis.

Then the 3rd sentence starting with “Also, if Japan attacks…” to the end of the monster paragraph is all about the conditions that would or would not cause all of Mongolia to become instantly Russian.

Then the 2nd paragraph in the rules starting with “in all other respects” means other than Russia directly attacking Mongolia, and other than all of Mongolia going instant Russian, Mongolia is a normal strict neutral, same as Afghanistan, Turkey, or Venezuela.

ok thank you for clarifying gamer! glad farm boy insisted on getting a second opinion, and you are one of the rules official after all. so I think at least Adam and I learned something new hear, and farm boy got confirmation for what he thought all along.

man I can’t spell lol