From what I’m reading yes you can move those pieces on your actual turn again.
As midnight said US can make non combat moves to plan.
China have a bit of hope. Lol
Calcutta saved ?
This will give each country some extra planning and moves to think about during turns which was stated to keep players more focused per each countries turn.
Lots of things to check out
AARHE: Phase 3: land Combat
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Yes sir. well have to see what happens on that.
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I believe that all units should be able to retreat after enduring 1 round of fire. It is very unrealistic to have an attacking force completely wipe out a defending force. The British were cornered in France and retreated back to England, Rommel retreated from the British counter offensive in Africa. The only times where the attacking force completely wiped out the defending force was not only, but usually in the Pacific rim. It just seems more historically accurate to me to be able to give both sides the option to retreat after 1 cycle of combat.
If this has already been said, I apologize. I am new to these forms and there is so much to read and I am suffering from a heat stroke.
RD
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Guerrilla Guy writes:
“Imp
The problem with making SBR able to make more hits is trying to identify whether they are on the same run and just have more bombs, or is it a different run with planes in the same bombing group… I think it is “legal” when dealing with Naval Fleets, since they have a one way ticket 'till I send them a new order, but planes are different… Isn’t that more of the risk you take (lost MPS’s)?”The concept of SBR remains at one combat round and the mission is over. The only time when they have multiple air combat is when a player sends out his planes for “dogfighting missions” the Attacker can sustain combat but each additional combat round beyond the first combat round costs one MP. this idea may require planes having more movement than before possibly going to 6 spaces and bombers 8. The idea of more than one round consists of a sustained bombing campaign where each sortie is counted in days and every day consists of a new sortie. Thus a turn should in theory allow for more combat rounds.
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This is always the way I thought bombers should work.
When included in a ground battle, the bombers would sore in and sweep the area, allowing the ground forces to get ready and attack while the opposing side confused. Bombs were not dropped while units were engaged with the enemy within the cities.
With that being said,A bomber fires in the opening step, casualties are removed immediately. The bomber may stay in for 1 more turn and repeat it’s opening fire step with a cost of 1 movement or it may fly into a second combat situation, sbr or battle.
If the bomber starts out the resolve combat phase in a SBR, then the AA shots fire first, followed by the bombers 1 die at IPCs, at this point the bomber may fly into a different combat situation, or stay in the SBR at a cost of 1 movement and enduring another AA shot before rolling a second dice at the IPCs.
In a naval battle, all kinds of air units were subject to anti aircraft fire from gun placements on battleships, therefor, I believe that aircraft should endure AA fire in the first round of combat, unless they are accompanied by a surface ship.I know I am forgetting something and I will post it later.
RD
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@Imperious:
Yes and thats something you wanted a while back… i think it would reflect the war better… the air combat values have to be possibly modified to the 1-2 range or entire air force may get wiped out in a single turn.
Oh no. Imperious Leader. I thought we could do multiple cycles of dogfighting already? (with dogfighting values and as long as you have land units left in the territory)
I only made a small change from that. -
A bomber fires in the opening step, casualties are removed immediately.
Yep currently we let bombers fire in opening-fire. Althoght it is dogfighting rather than bombing if the other side has air units too.
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So we are going to allow bombers to dogfight? Or are they going to have to take hits with out being able to hit the fighters back?
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They are more like “stuck” to dogfight… Wouldn’t you rather bomb the IC without facing the fighters…
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So we are going to allow bombers to dogfight? Or are they going to have to take hits with out being able to hit the fighters back?
Bombers dont dogfight… rather they are set up in box formation to prevent loses. That way they can cover all the firing angles… look at them like naval transports in the air… they have a payload and only are destroyed as a last resort. They can defend at 1 in air combat.
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hm…
so you want to make BMR like 0/1 in dogfight…basically struck to “dogfighting” until enemy planes are gone…
and then for SBR, BMR can somehow skip the dogfighting…I mean we not allowing multiple cycles for SBR so it has to be
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SBR is only a one round thing. Thats the only time where this occurs. everything else is based on MP= rounds of combat… as long as both sides want it and dont retreat.
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so you want BMR to dogfight at 0/1
what about Heavy BMR? Jet BMR? actually its “Advanced BMR” now
there is more to think about before having that “MP = no of rounds of further combat” rule
say it only applies when you the air units in question can’t land/rearm there*when you have no land units and enemy has land units
for SZs
*when the “naval fighters” have no carriers to land on in the SZ, or
*when its non-naval air units fightting in SZand there has to be a friendly territory adjacent to the combat zone
and we still got to think what if there was pending combat in that friendly territoryI am actually ok with the current rules
“At the end of a land combat cycle, if only one side has land units remainig the other side must retreat.”or the older version
“When only one side has land units at the beginning of a combat cycle, the other side must retreat at the end of the cycle unless those land units retreat at that time.”then we allow 2 cycles instead of 1 cycle of air combat without friendly land units
so its works out the same, without being complicated -
yea ok but again the two round thing precludes any retreats by either side? Or we are faced with getting stuck with air combat for two rounds?
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yeah this 2 cycle further combat thing precludes unlimited cycles of air combat while you have land units or carrier capacity
but then I just realised
“When only one side has land units at the beginning of a combat cycle, the other side must retreat at the end of the cycle unless those land units retreat at that time.”
still only allows for 1 cycle not 2
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I have difficulty trying to formalise/word the air interdiction rule.
How does it interact with normal combat?
Is it a limit to air interdiction power with interdiction units relative to interdicted units?
Shall we limit it to BMR’s saturation level bombing… -
Its complicated.
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OK post the language verbatum and ill rephrase it so you can possibly have a better angle to explain it. If it take a lot of space dont worry ill do it all… :-P
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What you’ve mentioned before is not detailed. I was trying filling in the gaps but found it complex.
Special combat: Air interdiction
During your turn BMRs may be placed in territories on air interdiction missions. The BMRs do not participate in combat this turn and remain in the territories until your next turn. Interdiction missions in a territory is cancelled if there are enemy air units at the end of your turn, at which point the BMRs retreat to friendly territories with remaining movement points. During the enemy’s turn, each land unit moving into or out of a territory under your air interdiction mission rolls a dice a the end of “Combat Move” phase for each BMR. On a 1 the unit is destroyed, on a 2 the unit fails to enter or leave the territory. Interdiction missions in a territory is also cancelled if enemy air units attack the territory during the enemy’s turn. Normal land combat occurs in this case, except the BMR may only retreat to a friendly territory with the remaining movement points from your last turn.
Unlike close air support, air interdiction missions attack and disrupt movement of enemy armies, rather than working in direct support of friendly armies.
If it take a lot of space dont worry ill do it all…
Or we could go without it :-P
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That sounds great.
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small change: “Interdiction missions in a territory is also cancelled”
to
Interdiction missions in a territory are also cancelled
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