2015 League Post Game Results Here

So regarding Pherman, I have also a game that I might have to call. I told him I will wait as long as I can before the season ends, but the longer it takes until his return, the harder it will be to finish in time.

I prefer him coming back, though, and I wish there would not have been those problems.

In any case, with Adams reaction, if it was general and not specific, heaven forbid this game would help propel me into play offs at the cost of another player. It is very unlikely, anyway, but still.

axis-dominion (axis) over Balladeer (allies +23) - Game 3

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=36359.new#new

@alexgreat:

So regarding Pherman, I have also a game that I might have to call. I told him I will wait as long as I can before the season ends, but the longer it takes until his return, the harder it will be to finish in time.

I prefer him coming back, though, and I wish there would not have been those problems.

In any case, with Adams reaction, if it was general and not specific, heaven forbid this game would help propel me into play offs at the cost of another player. It is very unlikely, anyway, but still.

Nothing to worry about, Great.  If someone abandons their post you take the win, and if you get into the playoffs somehow, you won’t be the weakest player in them……  :-D

Odonis (Allies+17) over Radiant (Axis)

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=36592.60

@Bjergmose:

@JWW:

@Adam514:

Your hard-fought victory?

In the 10+ years I have been playing here I can honestly say that the hardest part about that game for me Adam was my attempt to engage a child in dialog.

As far as “earning” the victory, it has the same earned value as the many games that have been declared a victory after being abandoned. Our League adopted the “bump” or abandonment rules 5-6 + years ago for a reason and I believe our rules serve us all well here.

Perhaps your moral code thinks we shouldn’t declare such victories? That’s cool, you certainly don’t need to nor will I be following your games, therefore you won’t need to worry about me calling you out as a hypocrite months/years down the road if you to decide to declare an abandoned game a victory.

If you feel very strongly about this you can of course debate your case w/the powers that be and try to change our League rules and remedy this grave injustice. I will gladly abide by any rule set that Gamerman and Jenn decide on next year.

This might be the reason Pherman left…one short remark and you are all over Adam.
It´s just a game…not a high-horse championship.

One short, snarky-assed remark.  If you can’t get why JWW was annoyed by that, then i don’t know what to tell ya.  Look, we need to have a serious conversation about the culture here.  Are we going to ignore when people disappear without letting their opponents know or what?  Every time I see someone win due to bumps or whatever, we have the same conversation.  Time to stop beating around the bush, let’s hash this out.  Do we want the rule for bumping or not?

Never mind, I see we’re already having it in the other thread.

The bumping and taking the win after 3 bumps is just fine, I have a problem with what happened within the game between Pherman and JWW. Seems like JWW has a different attitude than the rest of us.

Oh.  I was not aware of that.

Mallery29(Axis) over Procas(Allies)……

will continue if comes back, especially with game early on, but it’s nice to have Egypt as the Axis and be able to hold it for once (I’m tired of getting my #%#$ pushed in there as the allies!).

@Mallery29:

Mallery29(Axis) over Procas(Allies)……

will continue if comes back, especially with game early on, but it’s nice to have Egypt as the Axis and be able to hold it for once (I’m tired of getting my #%#$ pushed in there as the allies!).

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=36334.30

sorry

First let me apologize to Gamerman for making him wade through this nonsense while trying to calculate our league standings.

@Adam514:

The bumping and taking the win after 3 bumps is just fine, I have a problem with what happened within the game between Pherman and JWW. Seems like JWW has a different attitude than the rest of us.

What attitude is that? Stop being passive aggressive and tell me exactly what I did wrong in the game in question?

Perhaps Jenn should create a thread we can move this to so we can all work this out as it has seemingly gotten quite a few people agitated.

For those that care, this was one of PHermans last posts, OK, I feel bad for getting personal I apologize.  Let’s have some d�tente.  You caught me off guard a bit by not allowing the edit and then trying to leverage back to Anzac’s turn in exchange.  It felt rather shallow to me, but I get that you don’t know me so the edit might be an issue to you.  I’m used to playing with people who know me and would have no problem with an edit like that.  Just proceed with your turn and let’s both agree to not get mouthy about it again.

The game continued, I posted one turn and then he disappeared…please explain my attitude issue or what I did that was  wrong in this situation? I’d love to discuss this as adults and perhaps something positive can come from it as the 2016 league fast approaches.

For the masses that want to follow this nonsense here is the link the to the game. Go to page 8 and start reading there.

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=36362.105

@JWW:

First let me apologize to Gamerman for making him wade through this nonsense while trying to calculate our league standings.

Thank you

Hey, we all get mad about A&A games from time to time.  There are plenty of players who blow up less often than me…  Sometimes you find out there are certain players/personalities that you just shouldn’t play.  Going back in time in an A&A game is a very touchy issue.  People have different opinions about it.  We have a league stance in the league rules.  You can’t go back without your opponent’s consent.

Everything you did was legal JWW, but that doesn’t necessarily make it right. The purpose of my comments on this thread was to make the situation between you and Pherman known to those who care so that they can think for themselves if what happened was right or not.

My opinion on what you did wrong in that game, since you asked for it, is as follows:
You laughed at an edit request. Unless it’s a joke made by your opponent, I don’t see how it is anything less than a disrespectful act. Furthermore, the edit was perfectly reasonable and would necessitate little to no change to your moves and it was asked for because the map appeared to show some of your units in the wrong territory. There are only 2 reasons that I can think of right now that would make what you did correct: you don’t believe that your opponent’s map showed the units in the wrong territory, or that he’s been abusing of edits in the grey area during the game and that you are taking a stand against that.

On another note, why would you even want to win a game because of some interface mistake? That’s quite confusing to me.

JWW,
Do not feel guilty. The rules are rues. You do not have to explain anything. If the folks are talking about how it looks like, the discussion should start from the question why some players are ignoring their opponents? Or, when they are back with explanations and request to continue the game, why you refused it? With all of the respect to any unforeseen circumstances everyone can face, a short sorry notice is expected to be posted at least in a week or so. Please respect each other.

alexgreat (Allies +21) over Cyanight (Axis)

Excellent jog Alex. I really thought I had this game and even had the dice roll my way a few times. Thanks for the fun game and good luck with your future games.

I wasn’t sure I was posting in the correct thread. Did Pherman quit? I have been very patient waiting on his turn and only bumping after 1 week and then another 5 days.  I know its supposed to be 2 days but I do like to continue the games rather than throw them in the trash.  And most of those games Im losing anyways, lol.

alexgreat (Allies +21) over Cyanight (Axis)

Forgot to post the link above

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=36402.new;topicseen#new

Karl7 Axis over Mike 4848

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=36258.255

GG

16 bid…… never had a chance  :cry:

:wink:

I apologize to all in advance for the length of this post…
@Adam514:

Everything you did was legal JWW

I and everyone else who is following this nonsense realize that but thanks.

@Adam514:

but that doesn’t necessarily make it right.

You are wrong it does make it right. There is no other arbiter other than the rules we all agree to follow.

@Adam514:

The purpose of my comments on this thread was to make the situation between you and Pherman known

That�s cool, it will be interesting to discover what the League community thinks about all of this.

@Adam514:

My opinion on what you did wrong in that game, since you asked for it, is as follows: You laughed at an edit request.

Correct, I wrote the word �funny�, I found the request to be both funny/odd and funny/ha ha.

@Adam514:

Unless it’s a joke made by your opponent, I don’t see how it is anything less than a disrespectful act.

Perhaps, he, you and others find my writing the word funny as a sign of disrespect. If that�s the case I am glad he didn�t see the look on my face when I read his �reasonable� request! You know Adam, the way I was raised, where I come from, respect is earned. Playing 3 rounds of A&A w/me doesn�t earn anyone my respect. If he is so thin skinned that this one simple word caused his major melt down then I actually feel bad for the guy and I am NOT the empathetic type.

@Adam514:

Furthermore, the edit was perfectly reasonable

I can�t disagree with you more on this point.

@Adam514:

the map appeared to show some of your units in the wrong territory.

Let�s be perfectly clear, the units were in the correct territory! In fact, in many, many, instances with stacks of multiple units in small territories in triple A the map, at a simple glance, can be confusing. That�s why there is a Territory tab! You are aware, I am sure, of the Territory tab? Was it not his responsibility to ensure where these units were? A simple yes or no will suffice here Adam and I am happy to wait for your response.

@Adam514:

There are only 2 reasons that I can think of right now that would make what you did correct: you don’t believe that your opponent’s map showed the units in the wrong territory,

Sigh, again, to be clear for everyone that needs to distinguish what was or wasn�t right about this situation, which is your stated goal here Adam. Triple A had everything correct, the map wasn�t wrong, PHerman simply screwed up. He made a mistake, as we all do, pure and simple. That�s it, case closed, the BIG mystery has been revealed!  It�s only a game, he should have accepted his mistake and moved on…… like most of us do.

@Adam514:

On another note, why would you even want to win a game because of some interface mistake?

I don�t understand why you keep casting responsibility for PHerman�s fcuk up on me or Triple A. There was NO interface mistake. Why don�t you place blame for this where it belongs?

Also, although PHerman�s mistake was going to cost him his small ITA/Ger fleet it wasn�t game ending! Perhaps a 20-30 TUV swing?!? Once he came to terms with the fact that I wasn�t going to let him off the hook for his laziness, let�s all be honest here that is all this is, he requested that we continue the game, he apologized to me and he stated that he was going to �whoop my ass�! We can certainly speculate as to what happened after I obliged him and continued playing but as I suspected, he wasn�t long for the unrespecting, harsh world, of our A&A League community.

And for all the PHerman apologists out there who think this type of edit is reasonable, I ask you this, where does the rationale for requests/demands for this type of edit end? How often will we hear players lamenting about what they missed? �STOP the game, I thought those ITA mechs were in Bessarabia not UKR, I need to go back and change my russian turn. What do you mean you wont allow this, there were large stacks of units positioned closely on the map together, you clearly should allow this edit. I shouldn�t have to lose 20-30 + TUV because of this triple A error !?!?!?!??!?! Perhaps we should make a new rule where we can all stop the game when we screw up so that we can instantly remedy our mistakes and laziness.?

In nearly all of my losses and I would suspect in most of yours, some level of blunder was made on the losers side. Something wasn�t seen, something was overlooked, we moved too fast, we didn�t check the territory tab or didn�t run the proper battle calculations. I guess from now on, going forward, some would argue we should be able to stop the game, demand/expect, that our opponents allow us to go back a few countries turns and change our attacks, perhaps purchases, non coms and the like because we screwed up….this is absolute and utter nonsense…

Personally I come from the face to face and Abattlemap world where edit�s, redo�s, and the like simply didn�t exist. I have always thought of our League as an online version of the GenCon tourneys where the best come to play to test their skills, yes, in this game. I found PHermans request as odd and unreasonable and therefore wrote �funny�. I would never ask for nor grant this �going back in time� edit because someone was lazy and didn�t do their due diligence. There is nothing special about this situation other than my opponent felt that he was special and that he was entitled to me obliging this unreasonable edit. His subsequent actions portrayed to me that of an entitled child who didn�t hear the word NO enough from adults around him.

I would hope that other League players agree with my position and take on how the League is to be run. We have a thread for non-league games that aren�t tracked for records, playoffs and the like. I would argue, for players that want to be able to make these reasonable �go back in time edits� that the non league gaming thread is for you. At the very least if you request such an edit and your opponent abides by OUR rules and says no, you should have enough respect for our league and it’s rules that you simply continue playing without making threats, innuendo�s and the like.

JWW