Nation- (and City-) Specific Victory City Markers

I’ve been doing some more research on Stalingrad and I came across a blog page featuring several shots taken in 2012 during the filming of the movie “Stalingrad”.  Many of these pictures show the Barmaley Fountain, which I had suggested for use as the Stalingrad marker.  Ossel had noted that using this statue would be a problem for a couple of reasons: 1) the comparative scale of a small fountain sculpture relative to the much larger buildings used in other markers, and 2) the inability of his program to handle organic shapes.

It now turns out, however, that the statue was located in an area called Station Plaza, next to a large building (presumably the predecessor of the postwar railway station located in the area).  I haven’t been able to find good contemporary shots of the original station, but I’ve posted below several shots of the replica that was built for the movie.  So a new approach for the Stalingrad marker would be to depict the building (in its intact pre-war state) with a square in front of it, and to put in the middle of the square a little circular element depicting the fountain statue.  The main focus of the marker would be the building, which is suitably large, and because the fountain statue would now be tiny in size (and thus would have almost no details) there would no longer be a problem over the limitations of Ossel’s program.

@ossel:

This would probably work for Stalingrad, good find! I’m reworking Honolulu now, and then I think I’m going to give Stalingrad a  swing. I’ll look at the Chinese lion concept, but they’re awfully…curvy…lol

Yes, and another problem with the lions – as was the case with the original version of the Stalingrad fountain statue proposal – is that their scale would be too small.  Having the two Chinese cities both represented by pagodas isn’t really a problem; after all, San Francisco and Sydney are both slated to be represented by bridges, and that’s not a problem either becase the two bridges are very different (as are the two pagodas that have been suggested).

@ossel:

I’m reworking Honolulu now, and then I think I’m going to give Stalingrad a swing.

Hmm…I’ve just imagined the following conversation taking place on December 7, 1941, between Hiroshi Oshima, the Japanese ambassador to Germany, and Adolf Hitler, at the moment when Pearl Harbor was being bombed:

Oshima: “We are reworking Honolulu right now.”

Hitler: “Good – then next year, I think I’m going to give Stalingrad a swing.”

@ossel:

Alright, what do we think?

We think it turned out beautifully!  First-class work.

Man you guys are incredible. Ossel, your art work is amazing. Marc your a remarkable researcher and fast. You guys, both, have amazing talent. Kudos to the both of you. :-D

@John:

Man you guys are incredible. Ossel, your art work is amazing. Marc your a remarkable researcher and fast. You guys, both, have amazing talent. Kudos to the both of you. :-D

Much appreciated, and many thanks to you and everyone else for the feedback you’ve been contributing on the various proposals, which is very valuable.  Ossel is the one who has the toughest job – I’m amazed at how he can turn flat pictures into such good-looking 3D models, especially when you consider how small the markers are intended to be once they’re manufactured.

Anyway, we’re not out of the woods yet: Stalingrad may have fallen, but our remaining tough-nut-to-crack, Manila, is still resisting valiantly!

I may have found a good solution to our Manila problem: Fort Drum, the “concrete battleship” (actually a heavily fortified island fortress) located at the mouth of Manila Bay.  There are photos of a detailed Fort Drum model (shown from several angles) at this site: http://www.finewaterline.com/pages/gallery/everything else/pffortdrum/pffortdrum.htm .  The marker could be designed similarly to the Pearl Harbor one, with the fort surrounded by water and with a partial shoreline of Manila Bay framing part of the marker’s rim.

@ossel:

Unfortunately, it ended up defeating me, so here is the very simple, yet effective, Cairo.

“Simple but effective” worked nicely for the Russians when they designed the T-34, and I think it works equally well here.  The model looks especially great in the side view – perhaps because that’s the angle from which the Pyramids are usually seen in most photographs.  Anyway, don’t feel bad about the Sphinx – the original probably took years to sculpt!

I’ll be away from the office on Friday, so my feedback over the next three days is going to be infrequent and erratic, but I’ll try to visit the forum at least once per day because this project is really picking up momentum and I’m very eager to see the forthcoming developments!

@CWO:

I may have found a good solution to our Manila problem: Fort Drum, the “concrete battleship” (actually a heavily fortified island fortress) located at the mouth of Manila Bay.  There are photos of a detailed Fort Drum model (shown from several angles) at this site: http://www.finewaterline.com/pages/gallery/everything else/pffortdrum/pffortdrum.htm .  The marker could be designed similarly to the Pearl Harbor one, with the fort surrounded by water and with a partial shoreline of Manila Bay framing part of the marker’s rim.

I should have opened my mouth on this one, but I figured since fort drum was a HBG game piece, we didn’t need it, but this is a good alternative as any for those that haven’t bought that piece. :-)

@ossel:

I like the Fort Drum suggestion!

So…I figured I’d crank out Cairo real quick since it is undoubtedly the simplest, but once I got done with the pyramids, my obsession with detail got the better of me, and I’ve admittedly spent all day struggling with modeling the Sphinx… :oops:

Unfortunately, it ended up defeating me, so here is the very simple, yet effective, Cairo.

That is good enough. If someone can’t tell that that is Cairo, then they are in trouble anyway, LOL. :-D

@John:

fort drum was a HBG game piece

Ah.  I wasn’t aware of that.  I came across a reference to the fort while reading a document on the US recapture of Manila.  Which HBG battle pieces set is it part of?  It must be one of the ones at the planning stage because I own all the ones that have already been produced and shipped.

@CWO:

@John:

fort drum was a HBG game piece

Ah.  I wasn’t aware of that.  I came across a reference to the fort while reading a document on the US recapture of Manila.  Which HBG battle pieces set is it part of?  It must be one of the ones at the planning stage because I own all the ones that have already been produced and shipped.

It is under the fortification section of the products for sale. It has been there for it least 2 or 3 months, but if you don’t check that section, you will miss a lot of cool stuff. I have that and bought panther turrets as well, sub pens and bunkers. Check them out. :-D

Sorry Marc, I told you wrong. It is under facilities. Sorry, my bad! :oops:

@John:

Sorry Marc, I told you wrong. It is under facilities. Sorry, my bad! :oops:

No problem – I found it by keyword without any problems.  I’m relieved to see that HBG’s version of Fort Drum doesn’t sit on a round base (as Ossel’s VC markers are all going to do) and that the guns and other features are printed on the flat HBG marker (unlike in Ossel’s version, which will use 3D sculpting) – so the two markers aren’t going to conflict with each other, which is good.

@CWO:

@John:

Sorry Marc, I told you wrong. It is under facilities. Sorry, my bad! :oops:

No problem – I found it by keyword without any problems.  I’m relieved to see that HBG’s version of Fort Drum doesn’t sit on a round base (as Ossel’s VC markers are all going to do) and that the guns and other features are printed on the flat HBG marker (unlike in Ossel’s version, which will use 3D sculpting) – so the two markers aren’t going to conflict with each other, which is good.Â

Ok cool, that is what I was worried about. :-D

@ossel:

Just an update, found some really good shots of that tower next to Barmaley Fountain in Stalingrad (Volgograd). It’s still standing! You can see it in street view on Google Maps. Think I’m going to use that as inspiration for the piece, and probably knock it out today.

Ossel, that will do! Thanks for designing these. :-)