13L G40 Boldfresh vs. Jeff28 (Allies +11)

Cow

Remember Jeff28 to always anticipate, rotate, and pray. That is my secret to allied victory. The most important is rotating, because without the rotation you don’t get to pray.

gamerman01

@Cow:

Does china have an infantry cap or something? not sure why that is not spent… would totally have moved in on the burma road, that is not closed off from China.

Saving money with China is a very good strategy if you are waiting to drop a ton of Chinamen on a territory right after the USA takes it.

Didn’t look at the map, and didn’t read the rest of your comments yet, but I thought I could shed some light on that question :-)

gamerman01

@Cow:

This is such a strange game.

You shouldn’t be surprised, with Bold. He’s got plenty of eccentric mad scientist in him. Always an interesting watch. Not always so fun to play against him.

boldfresh

Cow once again you are commenting on strategy in a game still in progress. A league game in which we have both invested a lot of time and effort. Can you please refrain from further comment? You arent doing jeff any favors he will learn best if he has to do it on his own. Maybe a general comment or two is even ok but outlining an entire strategy? Really uncool dude.

Jeff28

@Boldfresh:

now, to me, the honorable thing to do here is to take your medicine like a man

This is an ironic statement coming from you. Perhaps you should browse back a few pages where you begged and guilt tripped me into an re-do I didn’t want to make.

You then won’t allow me the same courtesy a few turns later?

If you aren’t allowing me an edit, then the game should be reset to the Italian turn as it was originally played.

Then YOU can “take it like a man”.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

boldfresh

i’m not going to bicker with you jeff. it’s obvious you never saw this attack coming. and it’s obvious to everyone that has looked at the game that the two situations are completely different. as i said, a fair trade would be to remove the aircraft NOW from the board, not go back however many rounds.

jeff, you made a huge STRATEGY mistake. if you cannot accept that, then feel free to submit this to the moderators for a ruling.

cheers

boldfresh

and if you didn’t want to allow the redo, you did not have to. but the WORST thing you could possibly do is to allow it and then try to use it later as a get out of jail free card in a situation that is not even REMOTELY similar. i would certainly be open to allowing you to redo a turn if you did something illegal, for sure. but to allow you to redo a turn where you made a massive strategic error?? sorry jeff, it don’t work that way.

boldfresh

you are goinng to lose your entire atlantic fleet, and the following turn, you are going to lose London. and you think it is equitable to ask to redo your turn in light of a couple italian bombers many turns ago, in a move that was essentially inconsequential unless the italians had cleared NW persia? my max losses were a tank and 2 bombers. come on jeff, think it through.

Jeff28

From those bombers you took Spain and put 20 ipcs of damage at least on London.

Inconsequential, yes sure.

Jeff28

In the matter of a couple turns you can argue both sides of a case. Amazing hypocrisy.

I would have never allowed you edit had I known your true colors.

boldfresh

@Jeff28:

In the matter of a couple turns you can argue both sides of a case. Amazing hypocrisy.

I would have never allowed you edit had I known your true colors.

Jeff, i asked for a re-do of that italian move ONLY because it involved an illegal move. you will never find me asking for a re-do in any other situation, i am hugely opposed to a re-do of any move and would ONLY consider it if the move involved something illegal and was handled promptly before the game continued.

Now this situation where you are asking to go back and redo things because you now know i can wipe out your fleet, is just not right to ask at all, and especially not right to ask as though i owe it to you when the situations could not be any more clearly different. i am sorry you feel as though i am being a hypocrite, but to me this could not be ANY MORE clear. what you are in essence asking is “hey, i let you re-do an illegal move a few turns back, so now can you give me the win?”

because Jeff, if i don’t make the attacks i have been setting up, this game is a definite loss for me. it may STILL be a loss, even if the attacks go as planned. so Jeff, please reconsider the entire situation and if you still feel the same way, i am more than willing to go to third party mediation and they will of course take into account what happened in the entire game.

cheers

gamerman01

You guys should ask for a moderator to make a decision at this point.

Hate to see 2 nice guys have hard feelings over something like this -

you’re at an impasse if neither of you will give in. Time to get help from someone with the authority.

boldfresh

@Jeff28:

From those bombers you took Spain and put 20 ipcs of damage at least on London.

Inconsequential, yes sure.

i said “essentially inconsequential” meaning that the NW persia attack was only a real game changer IF the attack had succeeded. if i had lost the bombers, it would have hurt because yes, i wanted them for bombings of london, but it would not have been fatal. but again, i would never have tried the attack with just the tank and 2 bombers BECAUSE the long term greater plan was to set up this move. i would not have risked the bombers at only a 25% chance to hit your middle east stack because i already had egypt locked up. it was a red herring anyway, the main reason i tried it was to try to scare you and divert your attention from the real plan which was to wipe out your atlantic fleets.

so even if you had forced me to lose the bombers in NW persia, then i would have asked for a moderator ruling - who knows how that ruling would have gone, impossible to say now. but even if i had been forced to give up the bombers, it still would have accomplished the task of diverting your attention from the real goal and made you feel even more secure in the victory.

let’s just see what the moderator says.

Jeff28

I am now sure that you intended to use the “illegal move” argument to give you a chance to cheat, then guilt tripped me and I was gulliable enough to fall for it.

It’s amazing how you sleep at night.

gamerman01

@Jeff28:

I am now sure that you intended to use the “illegal move” argument to give you a chance to cheat, then guilt tripped me and I was gulliable enough to fall for it.

It’s awfully bold to go ahead and suggest that an opponent is cheating when he catches himself making an illegal move.

Why don’t you boys stop bantering and just wait for the moderator, and then play out the game like gentlemen.

This is just getting uglier and uglier, because you’re both stubbornly holding on to your positions. Let the moderator decide, and the loser of the moderator decision needs to accept it and you all move on and put it past you. If you don’t trust each other anymore, that’s fine, just don’t play each other voluntarily again.

gamerman01

Now how’s our battle in India going to go, I wonder? :-)

gamerman01

By the way, for the sake of order and to prevent “I thought YOU were going to do it”

Who is contacting a moderator, and which moderator?

If neither of you has yet, I can contact one for you.

boldfresh

@Gamerman01:

By the way, for the sake of order and to prevent “I thought YOU were going to do it”

Who is contacting a moderator, and which moderator?

If neither of you has yet, I can contact one for you.

please contact the moderator, greatly appreciated.

gamerman01

I checked - Darth was last active 2 days ago. You shouldn’t have to wait long.

I hope you won’t be upset with me if I did not present the situation exactly the way you would have liked (either of you). I have never even opened the map. I know what I know just from reading (part of) your arguments here on the thread.

You will probably get a chance to give your side of the story to Darth anyway, and he can look at the game situation as necessary.

Cow

Accepts an edit then turns around and says F U.

Seen this happen on battlemaps when people give fighters extra movements and the other dude calls em out on it.

Guess this is not a casual game.

13L G40 Boldfresh vs. Jeff28 (Allies +11)

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