calvin…… are you back??? :-o :-D
I was going to notify you, but true to Bold form, you saw it within 30 minutes :roll:
@IKE:
Reading “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it” I interpret that as if I attack the neutral then I can also fly over it in combat phase.  That’s why I’m wondering if you found further clarification on this than what I saw in the rulebook.
Yes, Krieghund told us.
I don’t see any ambiguity in this rule as written. “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it.” This doesn’t give them license to fly over it if other units are attacking it.
So, for example, if Germany attacks Yugoslavia on G1 but does not conquer it, Yugoslavia is no longer neutral. Germany can’t fly air over Yugoslavia in the combat movement phase, but may attack Yugoslavia with aircraft. Then after not conquering Yugoslavia, Germany can freely fly aircraft over Yugoslavia in the noncombat phase, and any other power may fly over Yugoslavia. Also, any non-neutral Allied power may land aircraft in Yugoslavia to join the surviving infantry. Of course, this does not activate Yugoslavia, but the Allies are able to land there once it has been attacked.
It works the same way for strict neutrals.
A country is either neutral or it is not. Once it has been attacked by any unit, it is no longer neutral.
@IKE:
Reading “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it” I interpret that as if I attack the neutral then I can also fly over it in combat phase.� � That’s why I’m wondering if you found further clarification on this than what I saw in the rulebook.
Yes, Krieghund told us.
I don’t see any ambiguity in this rule as written. “Air units can’t fly over an unfriendly neutral unless they are attacking it.” This doesn’t give them license to fly over it if other units are attacking it.
krieg, are you saying you cannot attack an neutral with a single infantry and then in noncom, fly aircraft over the previously-neutral-but-now-friendly-to-the-other-side territory?
No, that’s not what I’m saying. As Gamerman01 pointed out, at the time of the noncombat movement phase the territory is no longer neutral, so the quoted rule no longer applies and your air units are free to fly over it.
calvin…… are you back??? :-o :-D
Yeah, I guess I am. I got 1941 to play with some friends, so I came back here to learn more about it.
Anyway, I think I understand the rule now. A failed attack on a true/enemy neutral doesn’t make it immediately controlled by an enemy power, but it is now a hostile territory and can be landed in an activated by the other side.
calvin…… are you back???  :-o :-D
Yeah, I guess I am. I got 1941 to play with some friends, so I came back here to learn more about it.
Anyway, I think I understand the rule now. A failed attack on a true/enemy neutral doesn’t make it immediately controlled by an enemy power, but it is now a hostile territory and can be landed in an activated by the other side.
C&HL, Don’t you mean 1942?
@Young:
calvin…… are you back???  :-o :-D
Yeah, I guess I am. I got 1941 to play with some friends, so I came back here to learn more about it.
Anyway, I think I understand the rule now. A failed attack on a true/enemy neutral doesn’t make it immediately controlled by an enemy power, but it is now a hostile territory and can be landed in an activated by the other side.
C&HL, Don’t you mean 1942?
No, I bought 1941, since it was cheap and the simplest game (so the least time spent explaining the rules). I’m considering buying 1942 as well, since once they learn the 1941 rules, there are only a few additional 1942 rules to learn (assuming they like playing A&A).
Question, Can planes fly over the Sahara desert? I didnt not if it was just impassable to land units or land and air units.
No, and can’t fly over Pripet marshes either
why is that? what prevents a plane from flying over marshes or a desert? The Himalayas make sense but not desert and marshes.
The rules prevent it
3 German air units are attacking 2 American cruisers and 3 submarines, even though the subs can’t hit air units or be used as casualties, the subs don’t have to submerge because the air units can’t hit them even if the subs were surfaced… right?
@Young:
3 German air units are attacking 2 American cruisers and 3 submarines, even though the subs can’t hit air units or be used as casualties, the subs don’t have to submerge because the air units can’t hit them even if the subs were surfaced… right?
Right, but it shouldn’t make any difference either way
I have a question.
On page 16 of the Europe 1940, 2ed edition rulebook, the section on Scramble starts with this sentence:
“Scrambling is a special movement that the defender can make at the end of this phase.” (emphasis added)
Now here is the situation. The neutrals are still neutral. Italy and Germany have airbases with fighters in Gibraltar and Morocco, but there are no axis ships in z91. ANZAC declares war on the neutrals and attacks Portugal and Rio de Oro. Since they are not attacking any axis power, only neutral territories, would I be correct in my interpretation of the above sentence from the rulebook, which is that the axis planes cannot scramble because the axis are not the defenders in this situation? The neutrals are the defenders; not the axis and so they cannot scramble.
You are correct. Portugal and Rio de Oro are strict neutrals, not part of the Axis alliance. You can’t scramble planes to defend a territory that is not part of your alliance. So just as you said, the Axis are not defenders - their alliance is not under attack.
Interesting question!
You are correct. Portugal and Rio de Oro are strict neutrals, not part of the Axis alliance. You can’t scramble planes to defend a territory that is not part of your alliance. So just as you said, the Axis are not defenders - their alliance is not under attack.
Interesting question!
Awesome! Thank you Gamerman :-D
You bet, any time
Just realized there is a second part to your question - it just hasn’t come up for you perhaps
What if a strict neutral was previously attacked, and Portugal and Rio de Oro are pro-Axis?
You also can’t scramble to defend neutrals that are pro-your side, because they are neutral, they are not part of your alliance.
However, if the Allies attack Portugal and fail to conquer it, then Portugal is part of your alliance.
So let’s say USA attacks Portugal and fails to capture the territory. Then the UK attacks Portugal. NOW you can scramble, because Portugal is part of the Axis Alliance, due to the USA invasion.
That is the situation in which you could actually scramble to defend a territory that was originally neutral but none of your powers has actually taken control of the territory.
Perfect. That makes sense. Many thanks!
Hmm, so if the Germans try to land in Dutch Guiana, and the UK has fighters and an airbase on British Guyana, can they scramble into the seazone to defend the Dutch, since the Netherlands acts just like an originally true neutral that was “unsuccessfully attacked” in their colonies?
