On this day during W.W. 2

On the 7th Jan 1945 FM Bernard Montgomery held a press  conference and claimed credit for winning the Battle  of the Bulge.

I wondered what my American cousins thought of this….

@wittmann:

On the 7th Jan 1945 FM Bernard Montgomery held a press  conference and claimed credit for winning the Battle  of the Bulge.

That must have raised a few eyebrows in the American press, at SHAEF Headquarters, and in the ranks of the US Army (I can just imagine the reaction of that other legendary egomaniac, George Patton).  I once heard someplace that when the US – to Britain’s relief and delight – finally joined the war in 1941, the view which was cheerfully expressed by some British officers as they welcomed the Yanks into “their” (Britain’s) war was basically: “With our brains and your resources, victory is now certain.”

On the 26th March 1945(yesterday, I know) Lt General Tadamichi Kuribayashi died, probably while leading a well planned early morning attack on American positions. he died on the island of Iwo Jima, after a intelligently run defence of this all important island.
When posted here, he knew he and his men would not leave it alive. Its proximity to Japan made it too important. he lived with his men and enjoyed their privations. There was no spring water on the island and the men, lost weight and soon looked like ghosts.

Rather than defend the island from the beaches(a surprise to the US commanders), he decided to defend it from underground. He had his men construct 11km of tunnels, 5000 caves and pillboxes. He wrote a set of instructions to his soldiers, that specified how they should react and fight when the Americans landed.  The fighting was fierce and his aim was to make the Americans suffer so many casualties, as to cause them to reconsider fighting and ask for peace.

Along with Yamamoto, Kuribayashi, is considered the best of Japanese commanders.
He was born in 1891 to a minor samurai family and graduated as a Cavalry officer in 1914. He spent 2 years in America and never wanted Japan to fight them after seeing their industry first hand.
He was immortalised in the film: Letters from Iwo Jima.
His body was never found.

@wittmann:

Rather than defend the island from the beaches(a surprise to the US commanders), he decided to defend it from underground. He had his men construct 11km of tunnels, 5000 caves and pillboxes.

If they had existed in the US arsenal at the time of WWII, the method that might have been the most effective in killing the Japanese defenders inside their network of underground tunnels would probably have been to use thermobaric weapons, i.e. fuel-air bombs.  The gaseous mixture can be allowed to infiltrate tunnels prior to detonation, and its explosive effects are quite devastating in enclosed spaces – with the added lethal factor that they consume the ambient oxygen and asphxiate the people who survives the actual blast.

I was sympathising with the Japs on this one Marc and especially with Kuribayashi. Some think he may have committed suicide, but I think a last ditch, well planned attack, not Banzai Charge, led by him seems more in character…
He would have stripped his uniform of rank, thereby ensuring he was not recognised by the enemy. A pity, as the US commander would have given him a decent and fitting burial. His body could have been returned to his family.
He chose to die and be buried with his men anonymously.
We all have different ideas of what honour is.

On the 27th April 1945 Mussolini and his mistress, Clara Petacci, were captured by Italian Partisans near Lake Como, in the North of Italy. They were  trying to escape to Switzerland, then on to Spain.

@wittmann:

On the 27th April 1945 Mussolini and his mistress, Clara Petacci, were captured by Italian Partisans near Lake Como, in the North of Italy. They were  trying to escape to Switzerland, then on to Spain.Â

And today the 28th they were both executed.  Their corpses were publicly desecrated the following day, unlike those of their German counterparts Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun who had arranged to have their bodies burned after their suicides to keep them out of the hands of the Russians.

Morning Marc.
I read(and did not know) that in 1946, three men dug up his corpse and it was then missing for months. It was with two monks when eventually discovered.
The Italian government did not know to do with his body and it was 10 years before a decision was made.
To appease the Right wing parties in Italy, a crypt was built in his birthplace. It is quite some piece, having a large marble bust of him and being adorned with two marble fasces( the symbol of Fascism).

@wittmann:

To appease the Right wing parties in Italy, a crypt was built in his birthplace. It is quite some piece, having a large marble bust of him and being adorned with two marble fasces( the symbol of Fascism).

Here’s a bit of trivia on that subject: there’s a church right here in Montreal’s Little Italy district (The Church of the Madonna della Difesa) whose interior decorations include an equestrian fresco of Mussolini.

How cool that he can still be venerated.
These days  it is frowned upon to use the “voi” form of polite address, as it was readopted by Mussolini and ,therefore,  associated with the Fascist era. You should use  “lei”.
Many old ladies still use “voi” and it makes me smile. I cannot remember if my young nan did.
Nonno would certainly have told her off!

@wittmann:

How cool that he can still be venerated.

I don’t know if Il Duce is still venerated by Montreal’s Italian community (which is quite large: about a quarter-million people of Italian ancestry, roughly equal to the entire population of Venice, which is why we have so many good Italian restaurants in town).  I’ve heard that the fresco is somewhat controversial, but that it’s been retained as a historical artefact.  I first learned about it in a guidebook listing various oddities and little-known facts about the city, and I recall being surprised to read about this relic of the fascist era.  I should go check it out one of these days.  Another local oddity that may intrigue you is a plaque bolted to the side of a large downtown department store (a gift of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, as I recall) stating that Jefferson Davis once stayed at a house formerly located there.

I remember you telling me about the Jeff Davis plaque.

Thanks for reviving this thread, Wittman!

It’s unfortunate that Mussolini was shot without a proper trial. Petacci probably only died because she refused to leave Mussolini’s side until the very end. She had been infatuated with him from an early age, as testified by: http://historyandotherthoughts.blogspot.nl/2013/06/young-claretta-petacci-writes-to.html

Thanks Herr KaLeun. I was unaware of her history. That letter is a hell of a read!
Not much different, I suppose,  from a young Pop fan’s adoration of his/her idol.
Nice to hear from you. Hope you have been well.

Their bodies were burned by German troops, not by the Soviets.

Good to see activity in the WWII forum.

Evening Worsham. Hope you have been well.
Jackson was wounded today(2nd May) in 1863 of course. Keep well, have a good weekend  and best wishes.