Marxism

“can a man make something better than himself?”

“Man can never create unto himself to the image of what is better than him. From the moment, he will be filled with such bitter envy of his creation that his rage will suffice in destroying it.” - Primera

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“can a man make something better than himself?”

“Man can never create unto himself to the image of what is better than him. From the moment, he will be filled with such bitter envy of his creation that his rage will suffice in destroying it.” - Primera

“Man can!”-HortenFlyingWing

now that’s a quote!

"And yet there are people working very hard for their pay. It’s true that some teachers won’t work as hard. And other times I’ve seen teachers passionate about their subject (we all know they’re not in it for the money, right?). But is this due to having a guaranteed paycheck or lack of work ethic? Of course the opinion is very subjective. I’ve seen a history teacher at my school win a “Teacher of the Year Award” when all he did was show movies in class! Communism teaches a strong work ethic from an early start. "

So does it? I can say feudalism does the same thing. A Communist system with our society and our race would not keep a hard work ethic without a competition of sorts. What reason is there to work hard if you cannot better yourself, just “the whole human race.” Now don’t get me wrong, i’m not trying to sound selfish, but how about the billions who are? Our society has to change, not our economic system.

“You are assuming everybody will want more.”

And everyone will and does…no one is ever fully provided for or Bill Gates would seel all of his stocks abd sit back.

“There are people in life who are content with what they are. As for their “greed” and “selfishness,” it’s interesting to see how in some Native American cultures an extremely greedy and self-centered act would be to give all of his belongings away.”

Those pacific plains indians? I forgot the name of the ceremony, (something that starts with a P.) They gave a lot of way, but the next guy always had to give more, if I remember what I learned correctly. And people act nice and buy each other dinners…now is that always selflessness? Content with what they are? You are not very content with capitalism, are you???

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“ So does it? I can say feudalism does the same thing. A Communist system with our society and our race would not keep a hard work ethic without a competition of sorts. What reason is there to work hard if you cannot better yourself, just “the whole human race.” Now don’t get me wrong, i’m not trying to sound selfish, but how about the billions who are? Our society has to change, not our economic system.”

There will always be competition. What you’re thinking about is more of the capitalist notion of man vs man. However, what about man vs disease, starvation, building a better future, nature, and poverty against other things? Of course the idea of only bettering ourselves (and maybe those around us), but a lot of this is due to regionalization. When America first started up, it was just thought of a bunch of member states, not as a whole nation (we’ll not until the war of “Northern Aggression.” But that’s a different story 8) ). That’s why for communist to achieve a better place on Earth, it must be global.

“And everyone will and does…no one is ever fully provided for or Bill Gates would seel all of his stocks abd sit back.”

If I was Bill Gates, I would be doing that (we’ll at least far off in one of those remote islands). 8)

“Those pacific plains indians? I forgot the name of the ceremony, (something that starts with a P.) They gave a lot of way, but the next guy always had to give more, if I remember what I learned correctly. And people act nice and buy each other dinners…now is that always selflessness? Content with what they are? You are not very content with capitalism, are you???”

(Not sure if was the Plains Indians)
Here comes the selfishness, people who gave more were looked upon as being “better” (causing reverse greed) compared to those who gave less. Of course we see a form of this today. Two prideful neighbors work in different jobs. One losses his job. The other offers a job to the neighbor where he works. The man rejects. This is because his own pride couldn’t stomach the offer and it would always seem to him that the other man was taking pity him and trying to make himself look better. Ask any Native American on a reservation if he would be more content with his situation right now or if things would’ve been better before the white man came. Go ahead, I dare ya. :wink: Did I ever say I was content? Don’t worry, I will be.

it was called a “potlach”!

"here will always be competition. What you’re thinking about is more of the capitalist notion of man vs man. However, what about man vs disease, starvation, building a better future, nature, and poverty against other things? Of course the idea of only bettering ourselves (and maybe those around us), but a lot of this is due to regionalization. When America first started up, it was just thought of a bunch of member states, not as a whole nation (we’ll not until the war of “Northern Aggression.” But that’s a different story ). That’s why for communist to achieve a better place on Earth, it must be global. "

and it is next to impossible with the diversity of the world’s cultures that, that will happen. Not only that, I find that the system is flawed ebcause how man inherintly acts. (spell.)

sorry - the above was mine.

“and it is next to impossible with the diversity of the world’s cultures that, that will happen. Not only that, I find that the system is flawed ebcause how man inherintly acts. (spell.)”

Easy. Stage a massive alien invasion totally propagated by the government (be sure to make them look invincible). World unites together to defeat common enemy. Leave door open for more alien attacks, deflecting prejudice to aliens and forcing man to work together to overcome cultural differences. Inherently? Inherently I would like to take my shotgun and blow your head off. (j/k :wink: , but stick with my example) Well why don’t I? First there’s a little thing we like to call self-restraint and pride in knowing you have it. Then we have morals and common good and decency. Then we have laws and the punishments in case they are broken. (and believe me, only the threat of getting expelled from school stopped me in getting into fights on more than one occasion).

“think another problem with all systems (besides “Man’s” inherent nature - be it greed, lazyness, etc.) is they all will ultimately require the exchange of some kind of currency.”

Under communism there is a free exchange of goods.

“I’d rather be the guy who applies suntan lotion to the hot women in the utopian society, but who do i have to screw in order to avoid being the “sanitation engineer”?”

Sanitation engineer? Is this the pc way for janitor? Don’t worry, we’ll have machines by then who can do that. Wait…Heck we already have self cleaning bathrooms! Oh and lotion on hot women is more of a hobby.

“utopia will never be utopia”

I agree. If you want a utopia, die and go to heaven. And even chances are you’ll probably get bored and it would no longer seem like a utopia. It’s all a matter of time.

“Communism requires the use of a currency - it’s just more subtle than capitalism, and does not provide for the dreams of exceeding one’s reach.”

Those evil communists! :roll:

this has so moved to other topics!

You know what I just realized? This is probably one of the only topics that hasn’t gone off topic! Behold, the power of communism! :o