@barnee said in Submarine Movement and Customized Map:
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someone should roof a game store with sheets of AnA lol
I probably have enough maps to do my ceiling in the fort.
The Map Modification Question
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Strait of Gibraltar - Gibraltar - SZ 12/13
Denmark - Germany - SZ 5/6
English Channel - United Kingdom/Western Europe - SZ 6/72 rolls of three
Why 2 dice? How about simply…
Roll a dice against each enemy ship hitting on 4 or less.immediate air interdiction possible
We already have…
Air interdiction (made during active turn, performed during passive turn) covering adjacent territories/SZ
Defensive Air Support (made during active turn) letting you fight in adjacent territories/SZIts getting complicated. To streamline this Air Interdiction should be a rapid response thing just like Defensive Air Support).
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2 rolls of three
Why 2 dice? How about simply…
Roll a dice against each enemy ship hitting on 4 or less.+++ If we do that its basically saying " forget it" dont cross the straights… the concept of “too many targets to hit” is possible when say 15 ships try to pass. How can we then say the guns of gibratar can attack an armada of ships? the 2 figure can move about but their has to be some limitations on this. Its like were treating it like some Alien Lazer base with hundreds of guns and a million men wating for the enemy. Its just a base with a few guns and a sub net to trap any unwanted enemy subs and not the “guns of navarone” or the Death Star.
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too many targets to hit
Whats what I thought at the beginning. There should be a limit number of dice against an unlimited enemy fleet size.
But then I misunderstood and your meaning with all that stuff about ships having to zig-zag and stuff.Ok so 2 dices each hitting on 3 or less.
Is that enough?And is this a targetted attack?
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Give a reason why it shouldn’t be a targetted attack… Usually they were aiming them at particular ships, unless you want to represent the possibilities of hitting adjacents…
GG
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OK targetted attack.
Now, we gotta tidy up the air interdiction situation mentioned above.
Can we change it to a rapid response like Defensive Air Support?
Its complicated when its deployed during your turn, like at the moment. -
Lets just finish this ID thing DAS is for another thread.
anyway… Im good with 2 rolls at 3 unless somebody want more?
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ok I’ve added the info to draft under Strait Interdiction
we’ll discuss the possbility of tidying up “defensive air support”, “air interdiction”, and air interdiction in straits in one of the two combat threads
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By the way does anyone know you can download a more realistic game board?
No changes. Just more realistic borders and geographic proportions. Maybe even include mountain/terrain.
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By the way does anyone know you can download a more realistic game board?
No changes. Just more realistic borders and geographic proportions. Maybe even include mountain/terrain.
+++ that my department. The problem is playing under something thats similiar. Many people simply dont want the map to look anything other than what they are used to. Its hard enough to get people to play these rules and we have to maintain a delicate “comfort zone” of we lose the audience. The specific territories that alot of combat occurs in is quite small when compared to other territories. The point is places like europe must be made larger to make use of the battle zones. Dont worry everything will be great. If i create some uber realistic map it will not have any functionality. Remember people like the national colors because it goes with the pieces.
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yeah have you made a map with no changes to values, no changes to colors
just the better proportions and borders?I am thinking of printing out a larger map and buy extra pieces so ditch the chips so it looks cool
and while I am at it might as well have the map more realistic -
Its allready done. just email me and ill send you the file. Its a double sized map kept nearly exactly like original. pics are on my site
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Received.
Looking pretty.Good thing you can faking the ai (Adobe Illustrator) file into pdf to open with Acroboat Reader.
I see you’ve tried hard to strike a balance between realism and “comfort zone”. It still feels like the OOB map but noticably better shapes.
You had to enlarge the Pacific Islands right?
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That PDF has much missing information. look carefully… some of the cities are either moved or missing, plus some lost icons? I have PDF this file and it allways is messed up.
Make sure you use the original file to print.
I have a second file for Italy and the new VC …
i need to know what were the new territories ( map changes)
- finland/ norway
- values on the islands in pacific
- austrailia is two pieces
- what else??
im working on this today.
ill send you the files for the new set up sheets.
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a.) for comfort zone, is there a reason why the borders are double white lines instead of black like in revised?
b.) Denmark should you redraw the France/Germany border so Germany (rather than France) includes Denmark?
c.) “Turkey Canal”? That part of the map hasn’t improved in accuracy?
1.) finland/norway: norway 2 IPC finland 1 IPC?
2.) values on the islands in pacific: I don’t mind giving Solomon Islands 1 IPC, but I remain on the thinking that Wake and Caroline should be taken for strategy not economy, our aircraft movement already encourage island hopping situation
3.) australia is two pieces: maybe not neccessary, but nothing wrong with it
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a.) for comfort zone, is there a reason why the borders are double white lines instead of black like in revised?
++++ they are like revised. its a white line with a dark grey line in the middle.
b.) Denmark should you redraw the France/Germany border so Germany (rather than France) includes Denmark?
++++ yes
c.) “Turkey Canal”? That part of the map hasn’t improved in accuracy?
++++ what changes are you requesting?
1.) finland/norway: norway 2 IPC finland 1 IPC?
++++ other way around… finland =2
2.) values on the islands in pacific: I don’t mind giving Solomon Islands 1 IPC, but I remain on the thinking that Wake and Caroline should be taken for strategy not economy, our aircraft movement already encourage island hopping situation
+++++ ill give them one ipc, except for wake
3.) australia is two pieces: maybe not neccessary, but nothing wrong with it
++++ you sure? one entire continent as one territory?
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a.) your right (just checked the box embarassed) I got confused by this pic file…I downloaded two pic file copies of the revised map, one is higher-res but isn’t accurate, one is accurate but low-res
b.) ok
c.) i) entrance to black sea should not be a big gap like in OOB
ii) should have pretty red lines like those at panama and suez, at bosporus1.) ok
2.) only Wake don’t get 1 IPC? so Caroline gets 1 IPC? I posted numbers in the other thread and both wake and caroline are tiny, only Solomon has a decent size
3.) no strong feeling actually…1 IPC each?
4.) terrain: no plans to add terrain for now right? but when you do you may consider sea terrain as well
5.) island size: we don’t address inter-continent proportions for practical reasons, but intra-continent proportions are correct for all areas except pacific
since those island will be small and we don’t be able to put units onto it anyway…I would love correct proportions among the pacific islands (okinawa, wake, caroline, hawaiian, solomon midway)6.) is the map hand (pencil/mouse) drew or made with some special software doing edge extraction on real maps?
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1.) ok
2.) only Wake don’t get 1 IPC? so Caroline gets 1 IPC? I posted numbers in the other thread and both wake and caroline are tiny, only Solomon has a decent size
++++ Wake had no strategic value in the war. It wasnt fought over like Saipan or Tarawa…Caroline was a major jap naval base.3.) no strong feeling actually…1 IPC each?
++++ perhaps some will get more. remember Japan is benifiting from this and they cant have too much4.) terrain: no plans to add terrain for now right? but when you do you may consider sea terrain as well
+++++ no its to radical an idea for revised. too few territories5.) island size: we don’t address inter-continent proportions for practical reasons, but intra-continent proportions are correct for all areas except pacific
since those island will be small and we don’t be able to put units onto it anyway…I would love correct proportions among the pacific islands (okinawa, wake, caroline, hawaiian, solomon midway)
++++ they all stay the same except a few victory cities will be added as per the list6.) is the map hand (pencil/mouse) drew or made with some special software doing edge extraction on real maps?
++++ Illustrator CS2… the best their is -
2.) yeah ok Caroline is Jap base, Wake is US base, just saying they are so small it should only be a base not income
Wake Island 6.5km^2
Caroline Island 3.76km^2
Solomon Islands 28,450km^2
Midway ~5km^23.) oh no, you got confused, I am talking about Australia, 1 IPC Western Australia, 1 IPC Eastern Australia
4.) no I am not talking about any changes, just presentation of terrain/mountains on the map
could help show wait you can’t blitz thru Afghan
but good to leave it without too, “cleaner” look5.) like you map new island shapes and then resized them to keep them same size as in revised map?
6.) oh, then how come turkey/black sea area looks like that :-D
becuase of the the source map? -
2.) yeah ok Caroline is Jap base, Wake is US base, just saying they are so small it should only be a base not income
Wake Island 6.5km^2
+++ this is only one island
Caroline Island 3.76km^2
+++++ Caroline islands are basically about 25 islands not only one
Solomon Islands 28,450km^2
+++ many islands very important perhaps 2 ipc value
Midway ~5km^2
+++ very important as well3.) oh no, you got confused, I am talking about Australia, 1 IPC Western Australia, 1 IPC Eastern Australia
+++ ok done4.) no I am not talking about any changes, just presentation of terrain/mountains on the map
could help show wait you can’t blitz thru Afghan
but good to leave it without too, “cleaner” look
+++ oh that can be done but it wont look “clean” i can make some border which makes it clear which territories have that “movement restrictions” Or i can add text.5.) like you map new island shapes and then resized them to keep them same size as in revised map?
+++ no changes in this only add values the shapes need to look the same.6.) oh, then how come turkey/black sea area looks like that grin
becuase of the the source map?+++ what is “Grin” ?
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2.) yeah the figures for Wake and Caroline is probably only the main island, which is already very small
the assosicated islands are even smaller…its of strategic importance, but I don’t think we should model that with IPC
those islands do not produce crap at, right?Okinawa is 1 IPC and bloody 2,271.30 km^2 !
the AARHE rules already model the islands’ strategic importance
for example, US can’t send FTR to Wake or Midway without Long Range Aircraft tech
they have to resort to NAV for the Pacific war
because they can be transported by carriers
but they have even shorter range
I think there should be island hopping now4.) yeah we could put in terrain text like you said, again “clean” would be good
probably just one wordSahara, Saudi Arabia: desert
Greenland, Alaska, Soviet Far East: Snowy
Southern Europe, Turkey, Mongolia, Persia, Afghanistan: Mountainous
Himalayas: Extreme5.) like you map new island shapes and then resized them to keep them same size as in revised map?
+++ no changes in this only add values the shapes need to look the same.oh we are getting confused, you keep saying “no changes”
I mean to ask is this what you did? you obtained new island shapes with Illustrator and then resized to so its similar to the revised board?anyway, the proportions are ok
only thing is: I prefer the size of Wake Island to be reduced to size of Midway Island
just details hehe6.) I don’t even know lol, typo probably
basically, we could shape Turkey like in this map?
http://www.travel-images.com/az-turkey-map.jpg
because we had to add the canal symbol and making it clear you can now move from Turkey to Balkans
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