Though if Japan could take India, they would’ve taken Yunnan already.
It’s virtually the only way to move from Europe to China.
Italy in France??
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Not to mention most bids feature a Brit sub in 98
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@Uncrustable:
There is no way Italy gets into Africa with this strategy.
First it delays the axis for an entire turn, and they do not even stand to benefit from it.
With zero sealion threat Britain can build an IC in Egypt turn one.
With this you cannot afford USA entering early, forcing japan to wait to Dow, meaning both Britain and ANZAC get rich in the pacific.
Britain PAC could then fly its planes from India to Egypt, get an airbase there and Africa is secure for the entire game.What you really fail to realize is this would delay the Germans not one turn, but 2 entire turns as they are going to need a good amount to take France turn 2.
No I’m allways able to manage to take out all the ships minus the one cruser in the Atlantic. I’m not sure how your set up is in a open move but I easily am able to clear out the Atlantic of English ships minus that one cruser
Also in what way will it prevent me from going into Africa as Italy I start with 3 transports and 3 separate navy’s there and England goes before Italy it’s not hard to see what your going to do I’ve played this out an take Egypt in Italy turn 2 with the left over battleship crusers and sub detroryer and no planes left to defend them it’s easy to sweep that aside and quickly dump off 1 tank and 3 men to North AfricaSweet! U.S.A gets North/South Italy.
The Axis don’t loose any turns if it
Meens crippling the English to the point where they can’t do anything and everything else gos as planedThe English are always crippled. If England and France are able to stall for 2 turns then theve already done their job, WAY better than normal.
The pacific is still a side show and nothing changes so what if they get the money islands there’s no real threat with ships minus the American threat which is still at minimum 1-2 turns away and if your dumb enough to fly your planes from Calcuta that leaves me open to just swoop in and take it over
Those planes can be replaced 'cause. You know. $$$ islands.
For one it’s safe to say that anyone playing as Germany will Clear out the Atlantic as best you can. I personally like to clear out the two destroyers and transports as manditory, and the English Channel and off Scotland. Then do the standees opening kvements and attacks I like to take Southern France cause it gives me the ability to have a port as Germany in the meditranian.
This is not possible barring really lucky dice.
The most standard play is taking out English Channel, Scotland an transport off Canada. Leaving the gib cruiser and 109 transport.During Britain’s turn Italy cannot scramble against Taranto, as losing fighters would mean Britain needs less to defend France meaning less air lost for Britain.
I’d also like to point out that, if Calcutta does the three plane thing. Then your
-7 Infantry
-2 mechs
-1 tank
-1 Artilleryis not going to be enough to beat Egypt’s.
-4 Infantry
-2 Artillery
-1 Tank
-4 FightersAnd i doubt you would try to reinforce considering U.S.A is no doubt chillin’ West of gibrlaltor
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Brits are going to back up France with RAF if France is still standing after G1, but no matter how many planes Britain sends France is going to fall. Now if Germany strafes France and leaves it to Italy then the Italians either lose a considerable number of forces or don’t take it at all and have to wait until I2. Either way this strategy is going to cost both sides much more money then if Germany takes it G1. The difference is that the Allies have the IPC advantage and can come back from losing its starting forces much more easily than the Axis can. Yes, this means Italy gets an extra 4 IPC and Germany can take out RN without UK scrambling and these are the definite pros to this strategy. But the fact of the matter is that this strategy means Italy is slow to take on Africa which is absolutely detrimental and even if Italy is making 4 extra IPC that is going to mean nothing If Britain takes the opportunity to destroy Italian North Africa. While subtle, Germany is also going to be able to make one less mech which might make all the difference when rushing Moscow. Germany is gonna suffer a loss of IPC for Italy which will not end up helping it’s ally much if at all. Seems like a loss for the Axis to me. I think it is a great idea for Germany to help Italy and while this was a cool plan to do that, it would be much easier and more practical if Germany took Yugo or southern France and pumped supplies to north Africa or just flew a few planes south to help it’s axis buddy. Anyways this is just my opinion and I stand to be proven wrong.
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Brits are going to back up France with RAF if France is still standing after G1, but no matter how many planes Britain sends France is going to fall. Now if Germany strafes France and leaves it to Italy then the Italians either lose a considerable number of forces or don’t take it at all and have to wait until I2. Either way this strategy is going to cost both sides much more money then if Germany takes it G1. The difference is that the Allies have the IPC advantage and can come back from losing its starting forces much more easily than the Axis can. Yes, this means Italy gets an extra 4 IPC and Germany can take out RN without UK scrambling and these are the definite pros to this strategy. But the fact of the matter is that this strategy means Italy is slow to take on Africa which is absolutely detrimental and even if Italy is making 4 extra IPC that is going to mean nothing If Britain takes the opportunity to destroy Italian North Africa. While subtle, Germany is also going to be able to make one less mech which might make all the difference when rushing Moscow. Germany is gonna suffer a loss of IPC for Italy which will not end up helping it’s ally much if at all. Seems like a loss for the Axis to me. I think it is a great idea for Germany to help Italy and while this was a cool plan to do that, it would be much easier and more practical if Germany took Yugo or southern France and pumped supplies to north Africa or just flew a few planes south to help it’s axis buddy. Anyways this is just my opinion and I stand to be proven wrong.
its not just the 4 Ipcs that Italy gets it’s the 19 bounces from sacking France. Which helps bump up Italy bump up its navy and able to reinforce its African force and finsh off anything left in the meditranian
All this crap that te Americans push into the meditranian best of luck with that strat it dosnt happin all at once it takes atlest 4-5 rounds so please stop with that idea it dosnt work out and 9/10 America lands in Norway over anywhere else then maybe Normandy with England following up.
Realistically at the end of Italy’s turn 1 it secures France and gets a 19ipc boot added to the fact that most of its navy is there with atlest 2 transports with 3 infra try and 1 tank plus the force it has there
If you guys haven’t tried it feel free I take Egypt turn 2 and middle east by turn 3
By turn 3 America even if in the war by then just landed in Gibralter and if there smart wouldn’t push any further knowing there force isn’t built up and too weak to truly push anywhere
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If you guys haven’t tried it feel free I take Egypt turn 2 and middle east by turn 3
how do you do this?
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Re-read this blog and look at the map and if your Italy with 29ipcs at the start of turn 2 you tell me how with no English navy or Airforce in Africa to stop you.
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I don’t doubt that you think you can do it. I was just asking you to clarify how its done. I am not being sarcastic; I would actually like to know a reliable way to get Egypt early on and hold it until Moscow falls. It’s not really clear from your posts above.
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I am very confident that there is no guaranteed way for the Axis to capture Cairo in round 2. This can only happen if the Allied player is very inexperienced and/or gets extremely unlucky dice.
The UK can get the following units to Cairo before I2:
3 inf, 1 art, 1 mech starting Egypt units
2 inf, 1 art, 1 tank Alexandria
1 inf Sudan
1 inf, 1 aa gun from Malta via transport (assuming the UK sinks SZ96 on UK1)
2 land units from India (via transport starting in SZ39)
The 10 starting British planes (this would be super extreme and you’d need to pick up the Burma fighter with your carrier by moving them to SZ80 on UK1)
Planes mobilized in South Africa on UK1
If the UK buys a mIC in the first round, they could also mobilize 3 units directly to Egypt on UK2Obviously, it would be extremely unusual and strategically suicidal to do all that, but you don’t need to do all of that to be safe.
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Brits are going to back up France with RAF if France is still standing after G1, but no matter how many planes Britain sends France is going to fall. Now if Germany strafes France and leaves it to Italy then the Italians either lose a considerable number of forces or don’t take it at all and have to wait until I2. Either way this strategy is going to cost both sides much more money then if Germany takes it G1. The difference is that the Allies have the IPC advantage and can come back from losing its starting forces much more easily than the Axis can. Yes, this means Italy gets an extra 4 IPC and Germany can take out RN without UK scrambling and these are the definite pros to this strategy. But the fact of the matter is that this strategy means Italy is slow to take on Africa which is absolutely detrimental and even if Italy is making 4 extra IPC that is going to mean nothing If Britain takes the opportunity to destroy Italian North Africa. While subtle, Germany is also going to be able to make one less mech which might make all the difference when rushing Moscow. Germany is gonna suffer a loss of IPC for Italy which will not end up helping it’s ally much if at all. Seems like a loss for the Axis to me. I think it is a great idea for Germany to help Italy and while this was a cool plan to do that, it would be much easier and more practical if Germany took Yugo or southern France and pumped supplies to north Africa or just flew a few planes south to help it’s axis buddy. Anyways this is just my opinion and I stand to be proven wrong.
its not just the 4 Ipcs that Italy gets it’s the 19 bounces from sacking France. Which helps bump up Italy bump up its navy and able to reinforce its African force and finsh off anything left in the meditranian
All this crap that te Americans push into the meditranian best of luck with that strat it dosnt happin all at once it takes atlest 4-5 rounds so please stop with that idea it dosnt work out and 9/10 America lands in Norway over anywhere else then maybe Normandy with England following up.
Realistically at the end of Italy’s turn 1 it secures France and gets a 19ipc boot added to the fact that most of its navy is there with atlest 2 transports with 3 infra try and 1 tank plus the force it has there
If you guys haven’t tried it feel free I take Egypt turn 2 and middle east by turn 3
By turn 3 America even if in the war by then just landed in Gibralter and if there smart wouldn’t push any further knowing there force isn’t built up and too weak to truly push anywhere
If Britain stacks France then Italy cant take it round 1.
And if Italy is gonna go all out on Africa, then i dont see them taking it round 2 either. So unless Germany takes it on round 2 (which would render this strategy completely useless) then Italy wont take France round 2 either.
At this point France/Britain has stalled Germany/Italy for 3 rounds. You’ve already lost.
Re-read this blog and look at the map and if your Italy with 29ipcs at the start of turn 2 you tell me how with no English navy or Airforce in Africa to stop you.
Yea, but there’s U.S.A
TL:DR
If Axis want Italy taking France then Axis must choose 1 of the following:
-Lose Africa/Middle East
-Lose Italy
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The last to posts No and No
Say for example you don’t know my strat and are playing using normal an convential attacks as an allies player and don’t know my in tensions.
Your not gonna stack Egypt like that for defense I just ever see it happening nor will it ever unless I flat out tell you what I plan to do so don’t jump quickly to thinking this or that won’t work cause you assume you can counter
Normaly in the meditranian what’s England’s moves? Possably take Tobrook and seasons 96? Say you move most the planes to France Italy’s counter will to crush sea zone 96 with its navy and stop off 3 infinity and 1 tank back to alixandria
Ethiopia moves into Anglo Sudan the next turn since there’s no ships to threating I push with my 2 remain transports and navy using shore bombardments and a mix of fighters from alixandria anglo Sudan and a third transport I bought atthe end if turn 1 and Possably a Bomber if it survived
You all think that everything stalls in France in like most of you I’m willing to bet you’ve never tried this for your selfs I have on numerous occasions and have taken it so that added 19 IPC bounces and 14 Ipcs I collected from France and starting income I have 33 IPC to spend round 2 with England having no navy and planes to stop me … Nothing stalls and nothin gets slowed down it’s just making the right choices and playing smart.
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The last to posts No and No
Say for example you don’t know my strat and are playing using normal an convential attacks as an allies player and don’t know my in tensions.
Germany is strafing France? Then clearly Axis want Italy to take it.
Your not gonna stack Egypt like that for defense I just ever see it happening nor will it ever unless I flat out tell you what I plan to do so don’t jump quickly to thinking this or that won’t work cause you assume you can counter
We can, stack Egypt, then retreat into Anglo-Egyptian Sudan before your planes and fleet come. Oh, and destroy the Ethiopian Inf while doing so.
Normaly in the meditranian what’s England’s moves? Possably take Tobrook and seasons 96? Say you move most the planes to France Italy’s counter will to crush sea zone 96 with its navy and stop off 3 infinity and 1 tank back to alixandria
Sweet, U.S.A disables Italy.
Ethiopia moves into Anglo Sudan the next turn since there’s no ships to threating I push with my 2 remain transports and navy using shore bombardments and a mix of fighters from alixandria anglo Sudan and a third transport I bought atthe end if turn 1 and Possably a Bomber if it survived
You bought a transport? U.S.A IS SO SCREWING ITALY.
You all think that everything stalls in France
Because you do. No question about it.
In like most of you I’m willing to bet you’ve never tried this for your selfs
Who hasn’t?
I have on numerous occasions and have taken it so that added 19 IPC
After losing 20 IPCs of troops.
bounces and 14 Ipcs I collected from France and starting income I have 33 IPC to spend round 2 with England having no navy and planes to stop me
… Nothing stalls
France stalls.
and nothin gets slowed down it’s just making the right choices and playing smart.
Playing smart on the allies part would mean you already lost.
Actually no. Smart play on the Axis would mean France falling to Germany round 1 -
The last to posts No and No
Say for example you don’t know my strat and are playing using normal an convential attacks as an allies player and don’t know my in tensions.
Germany is strafing France? Lol, Axis want Italy to take it.
Your not gonna stack Egypt like that for defense I just ever see it happening nor will it ever unless I flat out tell you what I plan to do so don’t jump quickly to thinking this or that won’t work cause you assume you can counter
We can, stack Egypt, then retreat into Anglo-Egyptian Sudan and destroy the Ethiopian Inf while doing so.
Normaly in the meditranian what’s England’s moves? Possably take Tobrook and seasons 96? Say you move most the planes to France Italy’s counter will to crush sea zone 96 with its navy and stop off 3 infinity and 1 tank back to alixandria
Sweet, U.S.A disables Italy.
Ethiopia moves into Anglo Sudan the next turn since there’s no ships to threating I push with my 2 remain transports and navy using shore bombardments and a mix of fighters from alixandria anglo Sudan and a third transport I bought atthe end if turn 1 and Possably a Bomber if it survived
You bought a transport? LOL U.S.A IS SO SCREWING ITALY.
You all think that everything stalls in France
Because you do. No question about it.
in like most of you I’m willing to bet you’ve never tried this for your selfs I have on numerous occasions and have taken it so that added 19 IPC
After losing 20 IPCs of troops.
bounces and 14 Ipcs I collected from France and starting income I have 33 IPC to spend round 2 with England having no navy and planes to stop me
… Nothing stalls
France stalls.
and nothin gets slowed down it’s just making the right choices and playing smart.
Playing smart on the allies part would mean you already lost.
Actually no. Smart play on the Axis would mean France falling to Germany round 1Lol US takes
What and when round 3 lol I clearly need someone a bit more experianced in this game to talk tactics this clearly isn’t working
Anyways I’m done I’ve explained it I’ve played countless players on all levels of experiance and understand there’s more then one correct way of winning happy gaming everyone :) -
Lol US takes
What and when round 3 lolDepends on when Japan declares.
U.S.A could be west of Gibraltar on turn 3, 4, or 5.
U.S.A does not take anything. They instead sit their and force Italy to turtle. Which is why people say that Italy cant take Africa.
I’d also like to say a root question:
Italy loses 20ish IPCs on average trying to take France. So the extra $$$ is only replacing what shouldn’t of been lost in the first place. -
Your not gonna stack Egypt like that for defense I just ever see it happening nor will it ever unless I flat out tell you what I plan to do so don’t jump quickly to thinking this or that won’t work cause you assume you can counter
You only need a fraction of what I listed to keep Egypt safe through the end of round 2. You can’t rely on the Allies being negligent and call it a strategy.
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You also realize that in order for Italy to actually get 19 IPCs round 2 all if the axis must hold off from taking any France tts until France falls!
This includes Normandy and south France (5IPCs)
Meaning now 5 less IPCS less Germany on top of the 23 for not taking France G1IMO this strategy is so flawed it’s silly, and I’m beginning to wonder if we’re not just arguing with a couple noobs. (No offense but this has to he pointed out)
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@Uncrustable:
You also realize that in order for Italy to actually get 19 IPCs round 2 all if the axis must hold off from taking any France tts until France falls!
This includes Normandy and south France (5IPCs)
Meaning now 5 less IPCS less Germany on top of the 23 for not taking France G1IMO this strategy is so flawed it’s silly, and I’m beginning to wonder if we’re not just arguing with a couple noobs. (No offense but this has to he pointed out)
I’m sorry this guy is lost or dosnt understand how this game works basicaly my last post in this matter.
I’ve stated again I’ve played in tournaments and countless levels of expertise from novice to finalist and there’s no one clear way to win you use any advantage to win and sometimes play and use tactics that are unconventialYes Italy may loose up to 20ipcs worth of men to gain 19 from sacking France and 4 for the value of the teratory. But Endland would loose up to 50+ by stacking most of there fighters last I checked 20<50 for value correct?
Also while yes America just sits at Gebralter that dosnt stop transports ferrying troops over and having part of the German Airforce covering France/Italy to counter any attack
All of France can fall in one Turn so I have no idea what this kid is talking about. And this is all round 1 threw 2 movements round 5 is to late to just have America sit at Gebralter and think it’s doing anything. The idea behind this is too flood Africa and push into Iraq ASAP.
Blows my mind how people are so short sited with just seeing things one way and just reply with America rushs in lol
Anyways I’m done try it … It’ll work and mouths will drop other wise no point arguing with inexperianced players -
For the record, I am not among those saying that I leaving Paris for Italy is always a bad idea. I am just skeptical about some of your related discussion.
For example:
@Whitshadw:For one it’s safe to say that anyone playing as Germany will Clear out the Atlantic as best you can. I personally like to clear out the two destroyers and transports as manditory, and the English Channel and off Scotland.
This quote makes it sound like you attack all four of the following Sea Zones: SZ106, SZ109, SZ110, and SZ111 on G1.
Is that what you intended to indicate?
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For the record, I am not among those saying that I leaving Paris for Italy is always a bad idea. I am just skeptical about some of your related discussion.
For example:
@Whitshadw:For one it’s safe to say that anyone playing as Germany will Clear out the Atlantic as best you can. I personally like to clear out the two destroyers and transports as manditory, and the English Channel and off Scotland.
This quote makes it sound like you attack all four of the following Sea Zones: SZ106, SZ109, SZ110, and SZ111 on G1.
Is that what you intended to indicate?
allways with 2 subs each at sea zone 106 and 109 in 110 I use 1 sub and 3/4 the weight of the German Airforce and in 112 1 battleship 2 bombers 1 fighter and 1 tactical bomber completly clears out the Atlantic minus the Americans and 91
If England chooses to scramble it further helps my resolve that then they can’t support France later for Italy or if the scramble for 109 dosnt matter all I need is 1 hit and I will sink both ships
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1. A single hit in SZ109 will not sink both UK ships if the UK scrambled there. That would only happen if the UK failed to sink both German submarines in the first round of combat.
2. If that is how you distribute your units, that leaves 1 sub, 3 fighter, 3 tact as the only possible units left to attack SZ110. That gives Germany only a 42% chance of victory if the UK scrambles into SZ110.
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Subs can’t hit or attack planes so yes I only need 1 hit in a destroyer to sink that since the transport can’t counter it’s gone. Plus your gonna Either scramble for that one transport to save it or for your capital ships. Also if the sub hits ither cruser can’t counter.
And again its all on the dice if I’m rolling what 1 2 3 at 3 and 3 at 4 if I manage 4 hits that sinks all the ships unless he feels it’s prudent to pick apart his AirforceNormaly that’s my attack and most times no one scrambles cause they like to actualy have England play and do something othe wise both navy and Airforce is decamated but that’s how I normaly clear it out I meen there’s some small
Things I can move around not much but basicaly
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