• “Coach”

    OK, thanks just the same.

    “Tall Paul”


  • @coachofmany:

    @Tall:

    “Coach”,

    Although I forgot to say so,…the aircraft that I thought to be the “necessary basics” I put in Bold Face type.  And my chart was meant as a reference guide.

    BTW, which Japanese a/c has FMG planned on producing?

    “Tall Paul”

    I haven’t the slightest idea what FMG is preparing for sculpts.

    So until we actually know what sculpts or units FMG is going to finalize for its Japanese units this is all speculation because we dont want to end up duplicating what FMg may produce in a set, not to mention getting the color of the units wrong.


  • No,
    I am moving forward with the sets and will do the OOB and my Global 1939 colors until I know for sure the colors for FMG. I will supplement the sets and if there are duplications, there will not be that many.


  • As for colors, I’m pretty sure FMG Japanese will be the OOB color too.  Jeremy said their combat units will match their combat dice and the Japanese combat dice are nearly identical to the OOB combat units color.

    Hey Coach, what is the color for your Japanese in your Global 1939?  Is it different from OOB?


  • Sounds good, Coach.  Any set made by you would be most welcome.

  • Customizer

    Militaryman077,

    I couldn’t agree more that ANY set that the “Coach” makes is worth having!
    And I, like most players, intend to buy everything he makes.  Thanks again, Doug.

    “Tall Paul”


  • Ditto!!!


  • @coachofmany:

    http://www.daveswarbirds.com/Nippon/Japanese.htm

    G5N
    G8N
    Ki91

    Nice choices!!

  • Customizer

    Everyone,

    I made the above somewhat all-inclusive listing of Japanese Aircraft Types for use as a reference.  You should note that the aircraft that I thought were important to be produced I put in Bold Face type.  Even so, I wasn’t imagining that all of these aircraft would be produced in only ONE set.  Between HBG and FMG I think 3-4 sets would probably cover these units.

    If only ONE aircraft made it into the HBG Japanese Suplement set I would choose the G5N “Liz”.  We not only need a Japanese 4-Engine Bomber, but this aircraft design is so “Japanese looking” with the twin tails and so unique-looking I think it is a great choice for inclusion in the HBG Japanese Supplement set.

    As a possible 2nd unit (of the 12 in HBGs Set) I might suggest the Ki-61 Tony Fighter.  It was unique as it was the only mass-produced Japanese Fighter with a liquid-cooled in-line engine.  It was powerful, defensively armored, fast, and good looking also.

    –-----------------------------------------

    I think all of us would agree that we want an improved “Zeke”, “Val”, and “Kate” some day(soon?).

    What Do YA’LL Think???

    “Tall Paul”


  • i agree with your heavy bomber its unique looking. but i still rather see the oscar or the frank for the fighters over the tony or zero


  • I would vote B5N and G8N. Not sure which fighter to pick though…


  • I would like to pose another question regarding this set:

    If only 3 naval units are produced in this set, would you rather have a CV,CVL,BB combo or a CVL,BB,CA combo?


  • Cvl, BB, CA. At first anyway!


  • CVL,BB, and DD/CA for me.


  •    I think it should be obvious to produce the same TYPES OF UNITS HBG produced for their US Supplement set.

                               –---------------------------------------

      HBG’s US Supplement Set included:       Japanese Supplement Set

     Early Battleship       “Nevada Class”        “Kongo Class”
     CVE Escort Carrier   “Casablanca Class”   “Hosho Class”

     Torpedo Bomber      TBF “Avenger”         B5N Type 97 “Kate”

     Early Fighter           P-40 “Warhawk”      A6M Type 0 “Zeke”
     Late Fighter            P-51 “Mustang”      Ki-61 “Tony”
    *Medium Bomber        B-25 “Mitchell”       *G5N “Liz”
     Transport Plane       C-46 “Commando”   Type LO “Thelma”
     
     Light Tank              “Stuart”                Type 95 Ha-Go
    *Tank Destroyer        “Hellcat”                            
     S/P Artillery             “Priest”                Type 1 Ho-Ni II
     Transport Truck       “Mack”                
     Paratroop Infantry    “Airborne”
     
       *One obvious exception should be noted here. Â

       1.  HBG produced a 2-engine Medium Bomber(B-25) in it’s US Supplement Set.  Since the Japanese OOB already have a 2-engine Bomber, but do not a 4-engine Bomber, I believe a Japanese 4-engine Bomber(G5N Liz) should be substituted for the 2-engine Bomber TYPE(B-25) in the HBG Japanese Supplement Set.

                                                                                       “Tall Paul”

          Â

      Â


  • Sorry if my above text is “messed-up” somehow.  I don’t know how that happenned, probably my big fingers.
                                                                                    “Tall Paul”


  • What Tall Paul said ^^^

    Perfect.


  • tall pall i agree with all of your pieces accept for your choices of fighters.
    for me i rather not see pieces we already have such as the zeros. so for the early war fighters i rather see the Ki-43 Hayabusa. these were actually the second most produced fighters japan released during WW2. also they were the fighters that were used the most, for the Japanese infamous kamikaze attacks.

    second for the late war fighter Ki-84 Hayate because it was considered to be the best japanese fighter to see the large operations during World War 2.
    i would also agree with Kawasaki Ki-100 which was released 1945 and was considered one of japans best fighters


  • Lunarwolf and Others,

    The following are only my opinions and I don’t believe there are any “right” or “wrong” answers.  I believe a thorough discussion can bring about a better understanding on everyone’s part.

    I can understand any difference of opinion, especially on Japanese Fighters since there are so many good choices, like yours.

    HBG and FMG have already made(or anounced) duplicate units such as two different Trucks, both making the TBF “Avenger” Torpedo Bomber and have discussed replacing the OOB Heavy Cruiser with a newer, better detailed version of the same.  So I don’t think there are any problems with producing a better “Zeke” as well as other units, “Kates” and “Vals” immediately come to mind.

    And eventually, I would love to have many many different units available,…eventually.

    ------------------------------------------

    Point #1

    I think we should primarily look at this from the perspective UNIT TYPES instead of simply what might be “Cool” to have.  We need to end up with units of simular types from all countries.

    For example, IMHO we don’t need an “Ise/Hyuga-Type” Battleship/Carrier hybrid as there is no comparable Allied equivilent.

    I personally would love to have a Ki-46 Type 100 “Dinah” as I believe it to be one of the COOLEST LOOKING WW2 aircraft ever designed.  It was used as an Attack/Light Bomber/Night Fighter/Recon aircraft.  But until it’s decided to produce Attack/Light Bomber/Night Fighter/Recon aircraft I haven’t even mentioned my wish.  The DeHavilland Mosquitto is already available OOB, and the Douglas A-20 “Havoc” would be the American equilvilent.  The A-20 “Havoc” was used as a Light Bomber and modified as an Attack aircraft w/6 50 cal. for strafing and skip-bombing(along with the B-25s).  Can you say "Battle of the Bismark Sea? You know,…this might be something to consider.

    –-------------------------------------------------

    Also, I believe each unit needs to be as unique as possible, and keeping in mind historical values and the production totals of each choice.

    –-------------------------------------------------

    Also, "“Bang for the Buck” is a term we should all keep in mind.  Whenever one unit was used as several TYPES or by more than one COUNTRY we’ve just multiplied our units available!

    Some examples:

    The Japanese Type LO “Thelma” Transport could also be used as an Allied Transport or to represent an Allied Patrol/Bomber plane, the Lockheed
    PV-1 “Ventura” that many Allied countries used.

    The American Douglas C-47 “SkyTrain” (to be produced by FMG) could also be used as a Japanese Transport as they were one of four allied types that the Japanese built under license.

    There are several examples of this kind.

    A little paint and/or decals and you have several more choices available.  And this should help HBGs and FMGs sales.  And personally, I want them to make a profit on their huge investment so we can have even more units!

    Point #2

    Your choice of the Ki-43 Type 1 “Oscar” is an EXCELLENT choice for a Japanese Early(Army) Fighter and I would be happy with this unit if it were produced.

    But if it were a choice between an (Army) “Oscar” and a much better detailed version of a (Navy) “Zeke” I would choose the “Zeke”.  Mainly because it would look better flying the “Zekes” off my Carriers.  And the “Zekes” were produced in much larger numbers and much better known.

    I originally listed the A5M Type 96 “Claude” for my choice as a Japanese Early War Fighter.  Realizing that the “Claude” was “too early”(Chinese/Japanese War) for our WW2 Pacific game I changed it to the A6M Type 0 “Zeke”.

    Point #3

    The Ki-100 is a late war radial version of the Ki-61 “Tony”. 
    IMHO the Ki-61 “Tony” is a better choice on many levels:

    Ki-61 “Tony”                                      Ki-100
    Available      Entire war                                          Feb. 1945
    Total          3,078                                                396

    Also, since the Ki-61 “Tony” was the ONLY in-line engine Fighter the Japanese had, IMHO I believe it garners points for it’s “uniqueness” as well.

    What Do YA’ll Think?

    “Tall Paul”


  • i also believe that these aren’t right or wrong answers i’m just stating my opinions as you are. but to me the tony would just be an burnt orange Bf109 on the board, so i wouldn’t see the Tony as unique, plus Ki-84 Hayate was one of the only japanese fighters that could compete with the late war fighters. that would make a better choice as the counter part to the US supplement sets P-51 mustang.

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