FMG GERMAN pieces

[Stickman]

FMG, will all sets include a commander with Infantry?

[knp7765]

I still think the Panzer III is the better choice.  The Panzer IV is too close to the Panther (both had 75mm guns) which is already in the WOTC inventory and the Panzer II is too light.

[FieldMarshalGames]

@knp7765:

I still think the Panzer III is the better choice.  The Panzer IV is too close to the Panther (both had 75mm guns) which is already in the WOTC inventory and the Panzer II is too light.

We are using the Panzer III as one of the Tanks.  It was the most common light/medium tank in their arsenal.  It is already being sculpted and we will present these Sculpts soon, just like we did with ITALY.

[Danger Mouse]

Panzer III…awesome!!

[Imperious Leader]

Great! nice early war tank ( or mid war)

[reloader-1]

I love the Panzer III as a tank choice.

I can’t believe the level of attention that you pay to the A&A community.

We really appreciate it - thanks Jeremy!

[reloader-1]

Here is a smattering of piece ideas:

Fighter - FW 190

Transport - JU 52

Bomber - FW 200 Condor

I’d like to see a Hummel as well.

One request - go easy on textures with the JU52 - just mold the shape of the plane, it is recognizable.

[Imperious Leader]

I guess Germany goes after Italy, but after that what?

Japan or USA are my choices. Then Soviets, UK, and French + neutrals in that order.  USA is especially acute because of the flying saucer P-38 thing and the dreaded looking tanks and artillery.

USA should have marines as second infantry and perhaps airborne. Soviets in winter greatcoats with that iconic hat as well as standard “Ivan’s got a rifle with 5 rounds and cap” look.

British get both shorts for desert look and long pants for d-day look

Japan might get standard AA pose, and alternative might be japanese marines or ?

[johnnymarr]

I guess Germany goes after Italy, but after that what?

I’d be happy with the extras set (airbases, naval bases, Major/Minor IC’s).  The individual country pieces I can wait on, but these pieces I want soon so I can get rid of the cardboard.

[FieldMarshalGames]

After Germany I want to do the USA

[Johnson73]

How are the pieces going to be Sold?  Are they going to be Packaged by Country?  I would perfer packaged by Catagory.  Or both.  Discount if you buy the Whole Country, however if you would like to order by Catagory, then a person can purchase Trucks (which you will receive Trucks for all countrys) or Air Transports.  I am sure there are some of us out their who do not need anymore INF, Fighters or Artillary.

As everyone else I to am excited for the finished product and will purchase them no matter how you package them.

[reloader-1]

By country.

If FMG tries to slice and dice too much, there is too much work involved.

[knp7765]

@FieldMarshalGames:

@knp7765:

I still think the Panzer III is the better choice.  The Panzer IV is too close to the Panther (both had 75mm guns) which is already in the WOTC inventory and the Panzer II is too light.

We are using the Panzer III as one of the Tanks.  It was the most common light/medium tank in their arsenal.  It is already being sculpted and we will present these Sculpts soon, just like we did with ITALY.

YAY!!!

@Johnson73:

How are the pieces going to be Sold?  Are they going to be Packaged by Country?  I would perfer packaged by Catagory.  Or both.  Discount if you buy the Whole Country, however if you would like to order by Catagory, then a person can purchase Trucks (which you will receive Trucks for all countrys) or Air Transports.  I am sure there are some of us out their who do not need anymore INF, Fighters or Artillary.

As everyone else I to am excited for the finished product and will purchase them no matter how you package them.

Actually, that would be a really cool idea if you could get all the different trucks, or all the different tanks, or all the different Tac bombers in one set.  I agree that it seems like we drown in infantry yet don’t get enough of some other units.  Still, like reloader said, it would be a lot of work to keep track of all the different kinds of sets.  It may also be cost prohibitive since I believe they way FMG gets the pieces is by country.  So, if they sold sets of just certain unit types, they might end up with a ton of other types that people don’t want or just have too much of already.  So they end up running out of tanks but are up to their ears in artillery.

[knp7765]

I forgot to list any of my ideas for possible German pieces.  With each piece, I will list what WOTC already makes then what I would like to see FMG make.

Artillery
WOTC:  88mm flak
FMG:  75mm PAK 38 or maybe Nebelwerfer ( I know the 75mm is really more of an anti-tank gun then true artillery.  Afraid I’m not up on artillery pieces)

Mech Infantry
WOTC:  SdKfz 251
FMG:  SdKfz 250  (I like the 251 but if you want something different, here it is)

Truck
WOTC:  Opel Blitz
FMG:  Opel Blitz  (Sorry, I can’t improve on that one)

Tank
WOTC:  Panther
FMG #1:  Panzer III (already decided on YAY)
FMG #2:  Hummel

Fighter
WOTC:  Me109
FMG:  Fw190

Tac Bomber
WOTC:  Ju 87 Stuka
FMG:  Me 110

Strategic Bomber
WOTC:  Ju 88
FMG:  He 111

Aircraft Carrier
WOTC:  Graf Zepplin
FMG:  Graf Zepplin (The Germans didn’t HAVE another Aircraft Carrier)

Battleship
WOTC:  Bismarck (This is what I prefer but in the interest of a different choice)
FMG:  Scharnhorst

Cruiser
WOTC:  ???
FMG:  Admiral Hipper class

Destroyer
WOTC:  Friedrich Eckholt class
FMG:  1936-Type (Z20 Karl Galster, Z18 Hans Ludemann are two from my War at Sea set)

Submarine
WOTC:  Type VII
FMG:  Type IX (These were larger, ocean going subs but there were fewer of them)

Transport
WOTC:  Danzig class
FMG:  Dithmarschen class

Well, that’s all I got for now.  Like 'em?  Hate 'em?  I’m curious to find out.

[Johnson73]

@reloader-1:

By country.

If FMG tries to slice and dice too much, there is too much work involved.

I can appreciate that however I can not afford to spend $40 per country?

If they package individually then they can offer lower prices which will attract more buyers, therefore in theory selling more product.

[FieldMarshalGames]

@Johnson73:

@reloader-1:

By country.

If FMG tries to slice and dice too much, there is too much work involved.

I can appreciate that however I can not afford to spend $40 per country?

If they package individually then they can offer lower prices which will attract more buyers, therefore in theory selling more product.

In theory yes, in practice we still have to produce FULL SETS so we would be stuck with TONS of odd pcs with no way of recouping the investment on them.  This is a community project with no possible return on investment until all sets are complete. (Sales of one fund the next) So if you don’t want to see Germany… Don’t buy Italy.

[Imperious Leader]

I will do my part. 6 sets of each no matter what the cost!

Germany and Japan i might go 8 each.

Don’t worry FMG. WE will deliver as well.

Also, before jack wastes all his money on huge tanks, you might join up forces to produce the top quality pieces and open the gates for all sorts of new game companies that dont have the means to make plastic bits.

Joining forces might help make the thing profitable in the short term. Of course if you control it all your the king.

[moralecheck]

1)tank(1-2)

A)You are already using the panzer III
B)Tiger

2)artillery

LeFH 18 105mm

3)mech

The 251.

4)truck

Opel Blitz

5)fighter

Me-109 or FW 190
Me-262’s for when/if the player gets jet tech  :lol:

6)tac bomber

Stuka with 37mm cannons

7)bomber

He-111 or JU-88

8)transport

Ju-52
Can we have a Gigant too? (I think it’s the Me-323)

9)aa

88mm

10)naval

The existing choices by WotC are fine I think.

[moralecheck]

@knp7765:

I forgot to list any of my ideas for possible German pieces.  With each piece, I will list what WOTC already makes then what I would like to see FMG make.

Artillery
WOTC:  88mm flak
FMG:  75mm PAK 38 or maybe Nebelwerfer ( I know the 75mm is really more of an anti-tank gun then true artillery.  Afraid I’m not up on artillery pieces)

Mech Infantry
WOTC:  SdKfz 251
FMG:  SdKfz 250  (I like the 251 but if you want something different, here it is)

Truck
WOTC:  Opel Blitz
FMG:  Opel Blitz  (Sorry, I can’t improve on that one)

Tank
WOTC:  Panther
FMG #1:  Panzer III (already decided on YAY)
FMG #2:  Hummel

Fighter
WOTC:  Me109
FMG:  Fw190

Tac Bomber
WOTC:  Ju 87 Stuka
FMG:  Me 110

Strategic Bomber
WOTC:  Ju 88
FMG:  He 111

Aircraft Carrier
WOTC:  Graf Zepplin
FMG:  Graf Zepplin (The Germans didn’t HAVE another Aircraft Carrier)

Battleship
WOTC:  Bismarck (This is what I prefer but in the interest of a different choice)
FMG:  Scharnhorst

Cruiser
WOTC:  ???
FMG:  Admiral Hipper class

Destroyer
WOTC:  Friedrich Eckholt class
FMG:  1936-Type (Z20 Karl Galster, Z18 Hans Ludemann are two from my War at Sea set)

Submarine
WOTC:  Type VII
FMG:  Type IX (These were larger, ocean going subs but there were fewer of them)

Transport
WOTC:  Danzig class
FMG:  Dithmarschen class

Well, that’s all I got for now.  Like 'em?  Hate 'em?  I’m curious to find out.

The 75mm was pak 40, the 50mm was pak 38.  Either way, I don’t wan’t ANOTHER non-artllery piece to again be selected as the German artillery, lol.  The Hummel is a mech artillery not a tank, but the same vehicle with an 88mm (Nashorn) is a tank destroyer.  That may work (I’d stay away from using a mech artillery as a tank as mech artillery may be WotC’s next choice for a new unit). I greatly prefer the 251 to the 250 (which used primarily by recon units). Everything else you said I’d be fine with. Btw, the existing WOTC cruiser IS the Admiral Hipper class.

[knp7765]

Hey moralecheck,
Thanks for the correction on the 75mm.  Like I said, I’m not really up on the different artillery pieces.  I do agree with you that we should have an artillery piece that is a “true” artillery and not an anti-tank or anti-aircraft gun.

The reason I picked the Hummel was because I thought that’s how FMG was going to make the two different armor sculpts for each country:  1 tank and 1 self-propelled artillery.  Or was that just the case for Italy because they didn’t have a large tank selection?

I didn’t realize the WOTC cruiser was the Admiral Hipper class.  They didn’t say in the rulebook and it looks different from my War At Sea Admiral Hipper and Prinz Eugen cruisers.  It was by using my WAS pieces that I figured out the British cruiser was the County Class.

Well, in that case, maybe the FMG German Cruiser could be one of the Deutschland Class Pocket Battleships (Graf Spee, Deutschland/Lutzow, Admiral Scheer).  Those could be considered heavy cruisers I think.