TGC (German) vs. Doman (Allies) Original Europe

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2d6: 3, 6

[The_Good_Captain]

the hit has to go on the transport in this case since fighters need a destroyer present to allocate hits to submarines.

before we roll the defensive fire roll, are you submerging your sub or fighting with it?

[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain Fight to the death!

[The_Good_Captain]

russian sub [dice 1d6]
russian transport [dice 1d6]

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1d6: 6
1d6: 2

[The_Good_Captain]

German sub attacks [dice 1d6]

Russian sub defends [dice 1d6]

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1d6: 1
1d6: 1

[The_Good_Captain]

@DoManMacgee

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 30 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 submarine moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Norway to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R.
              Germans take Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians
        1 armour moved from Hungary to Bessarabia
              Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Hungary to East Poland
              Germans take East Poland from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
              Germans take Baltic States from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Karelia
              Germans take Karelia from Russians
        1 destroyer moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to South Atlantic Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Tunisia to Libya
              Germans take Libya from British
        1 armour moved from Libya to Tunisia
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 3 fighters and 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
            Germans win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in South Atlantic Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 destroyer
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in South Atlantic Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 transport in South Atlantic Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in South Atlantic Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 transport in South Atlantic Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in South Atlantic Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship and 1 bomber
            British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 bomber in Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the Germans lost in Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
                1 transport owned by the British lost in Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
            1 bomber owned by the Germans retreated
            British win with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is -16
            Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship
            Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone: 1 submarine and 1 transport
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Soviet Convoy Sea Zone from Russians to Germans
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Battle in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 2 fighters and 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 bomber moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Crete
        1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Malta to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Adriatic Sea Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Adriatic Sea Sea Zone to Yugoslavia
        2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        2 armour moved from Germany to Hungary
        8 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        3 fighters moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany
        2 fighters moved from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone to Norway
        1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia
        8 infantry moved from Hungary to Bessarabia
        1 artillery moved from Hungary to Bessarabia
        1 artillery moved from Hungary to Bessarabia
        1 artillery moved from Hungary to Bessarabia
        1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Finland
        1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Austria
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Norway

    Place Units - Germans
        30 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 46 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0.33
Germans regular : -1.17
British regular : 1.83

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[The_Good_Captain]

@DoManMacgee said in TGC (German) vs. Doman (Allies) Original Europe:

@The_Good_Captain Fight to the death!

I have to ask you to EDIT back in your Russian sub. Chalk it up to the non-intuitive nature of sub rules but I should not have asked you to submerge. The Russian sub submerges, full stop.

An attacking sub is 60/40 win loss against a defending sub.

The Russian sub gets no benefit for fighting to the death.

It attacks the German sub on its turn at 60% as opposed to defending on its own turn at 40%.

The German sub will fight to the death on the Russian turn in order to try to win at 40% and deny the Soviets their IPC. I’ve encountered this before and should have known better. The battle really was always only about the Russian transport only. Even if the German sub had “hit” on the surprise strike, you could just select the transport since casualty selection is sequential and the surprise attack occurs before normal combat. The Russian sub was never under threat and should always submerge.

Play on with the Russian sub and I will fight to the death as the German sub on Russias turn.

[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain Good point. That’s what I get for replying to you 2AM my time. Will carry on.

I’m guessing the pattern will be for the defending sub to submerge in that part of the board unless something substantial happens

[The_Good_Captain]

@DoManMacgee said in TGC (German) vs. Doman (Allies) Original Europe:

@The_Good_Captain Good point. That’s what I get for replying to you 2AM my time. Will carry on.

I’m guessing the pattern will be for the defending sub to submerge in that part of the board unless something substantial happens

The German sub will fight to the death in an effort to prevent the USSR from gaining the 4IPC therin.

[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 submarine moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Russia to Karelia
        4 armour and 3 infantry moved from Leningrad to Vyborg
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R.
        2 armour, 4 artilleries and 27 infantry moved from Belorussia to Baltic States
        9 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
        3 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Belorussia

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Vyborg
            Russians attack with 4 armour and 3 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 4 armour and 3 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg
            Russians win, taking Vyborg from Germans with 4 armour and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Karelia
            Russians attack with 1 artillery and 6 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 6 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
            Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 1 artillery and 6 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Russians attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Russians win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
            Russians attack with 1 submarine
            Germans defend with 1 submarine
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
        Battle in Baltic States
            Russians attack with 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 36 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 36 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 14/42 hits, 9.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
            Russians win, taking Baltic States from Germans with 2 armour, 4 artilleries and 35 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 aaGun moved from Belorussia to Baltic States
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Leningrad

    Place Units - Russians
        8 infantry placed in Leningrad

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.67
Russians regular : 3.67

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 2 carriers; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 destroyer moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Adriatic Sea Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to Libya
              British take Libya from Germans
        2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to South Atlantic Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Leningrad to East Poland

    Combat - British
        Battle in East Poland
            British attack with 1 bomber
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 bomber in East Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber in East Poland, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in East Poland, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 bomber in East Poland, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in East Poland, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland
            British win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in South Atlantic Sea Zone
            British attack with 2 fighters
            Germans defend with 1 destroyer
                British roll dice for 2 fighters in South Atlantic Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in South Atlantic Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the British lost in South Atlantic Sea Zone
                1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in South Atlantic Sea Zone
            British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for British: 1 fighter
            Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Adriatic Sea Sea Zone
            British attack with 1 destroyer
            Germans defend with 1 transport
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Adriatic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Adriatic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Adriatic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 transport in Adriatic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in Adriatic Sea Sea Zone
                1 transport owned by the Germans lost in Adriatic Sea Sea Zone
            Germans win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for Germans: 1 transport

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 fighter moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 bomber moved from East Poland to Leningrad

    Place Units - British
        2 carriers placed in Atlantic Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 21 PUs; end with 26 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.17
British regular : -1.00

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 9 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        2 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
              Americans take Algeria from Germans
        1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to Atlantic Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from United States to Atlantic Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Atlantic Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Leningrad
        EDIT: 1 armour moved from Libya to Syria

    Combat - Americans

    Non Combat Move - Americans

    Place Units - Americans
        3 fighters placed in United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 42 PUs; end with 51 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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Two notes:

1.) I edited the UK Tank from Egypt -> Syria (instead of going to Libya). That was a miss-click on my end that I didn’t notice until partway through the American turn.

2.) To quote something George Lucas said about the Star Wars Prequels: “I may have gone a bit far in a few places.”