@panther Thank you very much panther…
Escort service
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@Imperious:
Not in my experience. Mainly because its not in the official rulebook as an optional rule, so people don’t think its part of the game.
I totally agree. If its not in the out-of-box rule book, then common people wont play with them. Its as simple as that. Millions of people have purchased A&A games, but only a dozen read this forums, and get access to optional rules like the “Escort Service”. Bottom line is, that when you join a playgroup, you better follow the rule-book that come with the box. As it is today, this escort rules are treated like a house rule, no matter what Krieghund or Larry says.
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By that logic, you should ignore the errata and FAQs as well.
If you are playing with folks that don’t look these things up on the internet, don’t you think you’d be doing them a favor by introducing them to official designer corrections and clarifications so that they can play the game as it was intended? All it takes is a printer.
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Larry Harris is teh big boss on all rule questions, even if we don’t play the game 100% OOB including with or w/o official optional rules. For my part, I could do with only one small change….LL…although some people think of LL players as infidels, but this is how it is, imo, we should use as few “house rules” as possible, but few people play A&A 100% “clean”.
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@Craig:
It doesn’t fit the level of the game, unlike the level of A&A Europe and Pacific.
Craig
Why not? Is there that much difference between theatre and global?
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@Craig:
Well. I don’t remember this as a rule during playtesting.
That’s because you hated it and wouldn’t use it. :-P It was in there for a while, and my group used it in several games.
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Didnt mean to stir up a hornets nest here. I just thought I was asking an obvious and simple question.
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it is honest! man, escorts for counting points, serving beer… jeez who wouldnt play AA then…
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@Craig:
Well. I don’t remember this as a rule during playtesting. I remember discussing it, but I never liked it and fought against it.
Aren’t those conflicting statements? :-o
@Imperious:
If its not in the out-of-box rule book, then common people wont play with them.
who plays with common people?.. certainly not the dozen people here…
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@Craig:
It didn’t make the OotB rules because of my (and others) dislike for it. There were others that strongly wanted it. I didn’t (and still don’t) think that this is the way to fix the SBR rules.
It doesn’t fit the level of the game, unlike the level of A&A Europe and Pacific.
Craig
You are the reason this game is broken ? Man I will smite you 3 times every day. Now I better understand why you are not a playtester for A&A 1942 ed. Totally useless.
Quite a jump to conclusions without bothering to find out if he suggested a DIFFERENT way to deal with it, Dontcha think?
BTW, who changed the thread title. the original one was perfect - it got a whole lot of us to read the topic and (for those who knew about it) to discuss it, it was funny as hell, but it still made sense when you read the question.
The new title doesn’t even make sense.
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title was fixed. typo.
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sorry to digress but I find it funny/ironic that the title to my thread requires censoring/editing when there are constant advertisements on the right hand side of this website for russian beauties and Tatiana from Minsk is only a phone call away!!!
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I only see “space project” whatever that is.
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If you had to change it, why “Air Service” ? Why not “Escort fighters” like in the rules from A&A E and P. ?
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Thread locked.
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This topic has been moved to the Moderator ForumIs this like a Bizzarro World for wayward threads because I found this in AA 1942 Ed. ???
Or is this the PG-13 forum as some of the posts have been removed?
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@Craig:
@Battlemaxo:
Why not? Is there that much difference between theatre and global?
Actually, it is a level of complexity thing. AA50 is still a basic enough game that the escorting of bombers and defending interceptors is outside of its simple structure.
I’m not quite following you here…… does this mean AAP and AAE are more complex than AA50 because of of convoy routes/zones and aircraft/naval bases? I would think each game in the series should build on the previous edition.
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Even in this scale, the game could use convoy zones, escort and intercepting fighters, and be free to attack any neutral. This would not make the game more complex than Techs, special China rules and NO’s do to Anniversary ed. Now I must wait 8 hours to smite you again.
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Here we go again!
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Europe and Pacific have the same rule for units of A&A. For example fighters move 4, attack at 3 and defend at 4. Bombers move 6, attack at 4 and defend at 1. Ships move of two and have same attack values of Classic. Tanks move of two and they may blitz the same way he tanks do in A&A (and in Revised) without considering the level of the game.
DD and artillery are not present in Classic, they have been introduced in Europe, and then have been used also in Revised. So for the great part the rules are almost the same.If we speak of convoy zones and strategic bombing escort, however, we have to consider the different scale or level of the game? This is inconsistent.
First because A&A have no scale. There is no time scale, no terrain scale and no units scale. A infantry miniature is “a infantry”, it is not a division, or an army, or a squad. Is a generic unit of infantry. A turn is a turn it is not a day, a month, a year or the entire conflict. Territories are defined without any consideration of terrain and movement. (other games thet uses territories have few great territories in plain zones and a lot of small territories in mountainous zones)
Second because there are rules that are already used in Pacific and in Revised without any scaling. Tanks for example are the same in Classic and in Europe that have different scales. The paradox is that Classic and Revised (that are at the same “level” uses different rules for tanks defense value… why?I think that strategic bombing with escort rules is a better way of modeling air operations (the need for having a base for escort fighters for example, the need to deploy fighters in defence of the IC is another example). Moreover, convoy zone are a really interesting way of increasing interest in sea battles.
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