I agree with Simon’s conclusion that Moscow falls G6. No need for Sea lion after UK1 DOW on Japan. This game is going to end very badly for the Allies unless the Axis player is very weak. Play some tougher competition!
Converting to KJF
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@thedesertfox said in Converting to KJF:
That being said, I don’t really like to leave devil that is Japan to his demons like other American players tend to do. I get that as long as you protect Honolulu and Sydney from the Rising Sun then they can’t win the game on that side of the board but yah’ wanna believe me when I say it that them Japanese are gonna D-Daying the beaches of Hawaii before the American player can even say “Pearl Harbor.” I’ve seen it happen, and Japan is fully and completely capable of wiping out the American navy early or late in the game.
So, here’s the way it works in my experience.
For every plane that the US adds to Hawaii Japan needs to bring an extra loaded transport. That’s 10 IPCs from the US requiring 14 IPCs from Japan to counter.
Japan can’t afford that until late in the game. Before then, it is far too busy trying to secure its income base. After that, it still has to defeat the Allied Pacific fleet. It then has to have sufficient resources lined up to conquer Hawaii before the Allies can rebuild the fleet.
Marsh
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@marshmallowofwar said in Converting to KJF:
@thedesertfox said in Converting to KJF:
That being said, I don’t really like to leave devil that is Japan to his demons like other American players tend to do. I get that as long as you protect Honolulu and Sydney from the Rising Sun then they can’t win the game on that side of the board but yah’ wanna believe me when I say it that them Japanese are gonna D-Daying the beaches of Hawaii before the American player can even say “Pearl Harbor.” I’ve seen it happen, and Japan is fully and completely capable of wiping out the American navy early or late in the game.
So, here’s the way it works in my experience.
For every plane that the US adds to Hawaii Japan needs to bring an extra loaded transport. That’s 10 IPCs from the US requiring 14 IPCs from Japan to counter.
Japan can’t afford that until late in the game. Before then, it is far too busy trying to secure its income base. After that, it still has to defeat the Allied Pacific fleet. It then has to have sufficient resources lined up to conquer Hawaii before the Allies can rebuild the fleet.
Marsh
Which is why you challenge the US fleet from the start before they can match you.
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Precisely, Pearl Harbor might be the most ingenious and generic move a player playing japan can do, having left the fleet alone turn 1, sways the US to move everything onto Hawaii having been able to consolidate and then destroy it all. And if they think they can just keep it on San Francisco well then their fleet won’t be doing them a lick of good but the enemy.
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I know this might be considered revolutionary, but perhaps the US could deploy a blocker to sea zone 16…
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@marshmallowofwar said in Converting to KJF:
I know this might be considered revolutionary, but perhaps the US could deploy a blocker to sea zone 16…
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…Um…no
I dont attack J1. So there is no blocking because we are not at war. Moreover, my fleet after J1 is at caroline island. So putting a ship in sz16 doesnt block it anyway.
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What he said.
Also, even if I was coming from Japan, I wouldn’t need to bring my carriers, just my fighters, and they’d fly right over that tiny destroyer :/
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Just out of curiosity do you attack J2 or J3?
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There ya go desert fox. U could see squirecam answer your question at gen con.
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@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:
There ya go desert fox. U could see squirecam answer your question at gen con.
Hope it happens this year!
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@thedesertfox said in Converting to KJF:
Just out of curiosity do you attack J2 or J3?
No way to know. It clearly depends upon what the US did, what UK/Anzac is doing, where the russians are, is sea lion an option, etc…
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Yeah those are pretty important factors, do you have a personal preference of doing one or the other or neither?
Personally for me i do like to attack J2 but I don’t always stay true to J2 attacks when certain circumstances call for certain measures by Japan
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@thedesertfox said in Converting to KJF:
Yeah those are pretty important factors, do you have a personal preference of doing one or the other or neither?
Personally for me i do like to attack J2 but I don’t always stay true to J2 attacks when certain circumstances call for certain measures by Japan
No I dont. My goal is to win the game. So I’m not going to be married to a certain strategy. If I attack J2 then it’s because the allies response favors it and Germany is ok with it too.
If you go for India crush, then your strategy is written. You must buy transports and naval and/or airbase and you must have your fleet south, etc. That’s fine but it means the allies know your plan and purchases and know how to counter.
From Caroline Islands Japan can reach anywhere but Sumatra. So they have no idea where you are going to go because you can go almost anywhere.
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The Carolines are the magic bullet to success in the Pacific.
Have u gone to to GH invitational?
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@thedesertfox said in Converting to KJF:
The Carolines are the magic bullet to success in the Pacific.
Have u gone to to GH invitational?
No. FWIW, I think merging UK Pacific and Anzac changes the game too much.
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@squirecam
You going to the smaller gen con in June ? Carl’s going. -
@thedesertfox said in Converting to KJF:
What he said.
Also, even if I was coming from Japan, I wouldn’t need to bring my carriers, just my fighters, and they’d fly right over that tiny destroyer :/
Awesome, now the US is blowing up Japanese planes without shielding.
Assuming you want to bring fleet, and assuming it’s in sea zone 6, the blocker wins – you can’t move and then declare war. Two blockers are needed if Japan is staging out of the Carolines. Fortunately for the US, it can see where the Japanese fleet is when it comes to move.
Marsh
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@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:
@squirecam
You going to the smaller gen con in June ? Carl’s going.Yep planning on it.
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@squirecam said in Converting to KJF:
@gen-manstein said in Converting to KJF:
@squirecam
You going to the smaller gen con in June ? Carl’s going.Yep planning on it.
You know Carl from gen con ? He basically wins the aa50 masters division
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@marshmallowofwar said in Converting to KJF:
@thedesertfox said in Converting to KJF:
What he said.
Also, even if I was coming from Japan, I wouldn’t need to bring my carriers, just my fighters, and they’d fly right over that tiny destroyer :/
Awesome, now the US is blowing up Japanese planes without shielding.
Assuming you want to bring fleet, and assuming it’s in sea zone 6, the blocker wins – you can’t move and then declare war. Two blockers are needed if Japan is staging out of the Carolines. Fortunately for the US, it can see where the Japanese fleet is when it comes to move.
Marsh
You CANNOT block Japan from Hawaii. If they are not at war, they can just sail there and sit. The US also doesnt have 3 spare ships to block and build in the atlantic and expect to keep Hawaii.
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Yeah thats my only pet peave with grasshoppers version. I don’t mind the 2 combing together so much as I do that UK pacific goes before Japan on the turn system which I really disagree with since that doesn’t make for a balanced Pacific
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