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AA Classic - DoManMacgee (X) vs. Martin (L)

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@Martin Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 2 armour and 3 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Europe 2 armour and 4 infantry moved from Germany to East Europe 1 submarine moved from Baltic Sea Zone to North Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from West Spain Sea Zone to North Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Finland Norway to North Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Germany to North Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from West Europe to North Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Algeria to French Equatorial Africa Germans take French Equatorial Africa from British 1 infantry moved from Libya to French Equatorial Africa 1 armour moved from Libya to Central Mediteranean Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 transport moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Black Sea Zone to Caucasus 1 battleship moved from Central Mediteranean Sea Zone to Black Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Finland Norway to Baltic Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Baltic Sea Zone to East Europe 1 bomber moved from Germany to North Sea Zone 2 armour moved from West Europe to East Europe 1 armour moved from South Europe to East Europe 2 infantry moved from South Europe to East Europe 2 infantry moved from West Europe to Germany Combat - Germans Battle in Caucasus Germans attack with 1 armour Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Caucasus Russians win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2 Casualties for Germans: 1 armour Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in North Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 2 submarines British defend with 1 battleship and 1 transport; Russians defend with 1 submarine and 1 transport Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in North Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in North Sea Zone Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 fighters in North Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 transports in North Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in North Sea Zone 1 transport owned by the Russians, 1 transport owned by the British and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in North Sea Zone Germans win with 1 bomber and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32 Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine and 1 transport Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 transport Non Combat Move - Germans 1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Europe 1 bomber and 3 fighters moved from North Sea Zone to East Europe 1 aaGun moved from West Europe to Germany 1 aaGun moved from Germany to East Europe Place Units - Germans 10 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 33 PUs; end with 35 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : 0.67 Germans regular : 1.50 British regular : 1.00
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WaW Witt Germany best, Ron Italy, Seb and Wayne as Japan.

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L24 OOB surfer (X) vs AndrewAAGamer (L+60) #1

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@AndrewAAGamer Nope. Not worth it.
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L24 BM4 Surfer (Allies+23) vs Avner (Axis)

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@Avner Oh, i absolutely don’t mind!! We’ve built up the entire game to have a battle…of course the fact that my side is favored makes it that much better :)
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Invitational Classic 2nd edition

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Great, I will add these to the “guidelines” tab of the bracket spreadsheet,

I recall there is some other rule in conjunction with the placing new sea units rule…

Something about submarine withdraw? Please enlighten
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Out of the Box 2nd Edition League Discussion

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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris is speaking succinctly, and speaking for most of us,

We want to preserve the base ruleset as much as we can and if a player wants some modification and the other doesn’t, then the default is the actual out of the box rules. This has been agreed upon as a higher priority, so that OOB players interested in league can jump right in, and current or departing league players can seamlessly play OOB outside the league.

Bidding definitely creates the opportunity for more chaos and cheese, and of course any bid is a modification of the game start, but it is not changing any mechanics or rules of play after game start. If a player doesn’t like 40+ bids, he should propose alternatives to his opponent, who will often be agreeable.

This is where you can say, hey, let’s reduce German NO’s from 5 to 3 and then the bidding can be lower. In my latest game, after bidding started I realized I wanted to know where his bid was going to be, so I revealed mine and asked if he’d reveal his. Then I knew I wasn’t going to face a starting placement I wouldn’t like. So you can get creative with your opponent, but when you don’t agree, out of box rules are your fallback.

The default league rules are not effectively a restriction or a hindrance, they are a safeguard that protects players from being expected to play something other than out of the box, when they just want to play out of the box.

Pretty much total freedom is given to two players who want to doctor up any crazy modifications of out of the box they want, and the game will still be counted in out of the box league play, which is very lenient. Conceivably even a small band of players could be playing in OOB league play with all their unconventional rules, but as soon as they want to play someone else in the league who doesn’t want those rules, the league rules protect the “normal” player.
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League General Discussion Thread

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@crockett36

Thank you for the suggestions you put thought into. January is the time for league rule changes, yes.
It is intriguing to consider different “flavors of the year”, but

“No” to standard bids set.
Individual player game by game bids are preferred because of individual and unique player strategies, it changes up the game, sometimes a LOT (you mentioned stale). It would actually be more stale if the starting set up was largely dictated to everyone for a year. Guard rail not needed, inexperienced player can just look at what the successful players bid

Players can agree to almost any modification for their game, so all kinds of customization and fun is allowed, and this is true even in the playoffs. But this is game by game so that everyone can count on the standard, out of the box experience without having them altered uninvited by others

If you have some consensus with multiple other league members on a change, or depending on the nature of your change, it is certainly possible to effect a change in rules. I give the people what they want, and I don’t think your suggestions so far will be welcomed by the majority. I reconsider if some of you start to coagulate
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2024 Playoff OOB Round 1 Pacifiers Board (+42) v Gamerman01

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Cruiser to 112, didn’t see that coming either.
You might have saved me from myself…