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The State of Meta Discussion and New Players / Vague Vogue G1 tank buy

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YOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAY

It wasn’t my purpose to advocate the line of play, so there is no actionable takeaway in terms of execution or counter. There are some actionable takeaways though.
Competent play requires considering board state. Players do not properly play canned lines into any board, though that is characteristic of meta discussion where some players downplay and dismiss the importance of detail. However, you have seen for yourself the sharp difference single units can make, and the difference in execution between a planned counter, and an unplanned counter. Consider, for example, if R2 attempted to hold with 3 less UK fighters because UK sent air against the G survivors of G1’s attack on sz7, or used the Egypt fighter again in some autopilot variation. That would be a problem. Players that neglect such details are asking to lose.
I read a poster on Discord claim they always went for positive IPC battles. Well, you know UK1 to sz7 and actions with the Egypt fighter could be IPC positive. But that’s not the issue, and never was. The question was, what was the opportunity cost? What was the cohesive strategy? Again, not simply my words. There’s enough in this thread to demonstrate the reality of what is not simple “theory”, but very much what players will see in practice.
Single units make a difference. The closer the battle, the bigger the difference.
3, Just because someone’s a top meta player does not mean they execute competently, and it certainly doesn’t mean they can explain things well, or even accurately. Here, we see some assertions that did not stand up to examination, that board state need not be considered, timing dismissed, that unfounded assertions should be accepted as “basic” knowledge, that G3 can hit Moscow under the line, and also Allies hold India against J3 India. None of those is necessarily true, especially in combination.

That said, that does not mean experienced players should be dismissed out of hand. Even a wrong answer can be useful to a new player, as at least such answers may be clear and brief, so lend purpose to the player, and hopefully get that player thinking - rather than trying to follow rote instructions.

That a player is inarticulate or outright wrong should not be held against them. Typically such players are making an honest effort to be helpful. If they are passionate, or angry, or even abusive, often that comes from their sincere belief.

Understanding is all well and good, but that is not the same as moral relativism, accepting all positions as equal. Some actions result in advancing the progress of an argument, whether for or against, other actions distract from it.

That, and the previous comments about methodology as applied to Axis and Allies. I think the example here was a little too simple, but eh.
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L24 bm4 axis-dom (axis) vs GeneralDisarray (allies+19)

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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 12
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

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Round: 12 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 3 carriers, 1 infantry and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 4 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Burma to India 1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 34 Sea Zone to Paulau Island 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to Paulau Island 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Philippines to 34 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Philippines to 21 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 21 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Philippines to 34 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Battle in India Japanese attack with 1 infantry British defend with 1 aaGun; UK_Pacific defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour 1 aaGun owned by the British lost in India Japanese destroys 8PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital Japanese win, taking India from UK_Pacific with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for British: 1 aaGun Battle in 34 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 7 fighters, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 34 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 7 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 34 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/10 hits, 5.50 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 34 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 34 Sea Zone 1 transport owned by the ANZAC and 1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 34 Sea Zone Japanese win with 2 bombers, 7 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in Paulau Island Japanese attack with 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers ANZAC defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers in Paulau Island, round 2 : 5/10 hits, 5.00 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 2 infantry in Paulau Island, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Paulau Island Japanese win, taking Paulau Island from ANZAC with 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for ANZAC: 2 infantry Battle in 21 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers ANZAC defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 21 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/10 hits, 5.33 expected hits ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 21 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the ANZAC lost in 21 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - Japanese 2 carriers and 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 2 marines moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 2 marines moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 18 infantry and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Burma to India 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma 2 bombers moved from 34 Sea Zone to Philippines 1 bomber moved from 21 Sea Zone to Japan 2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Paulau Island to 35 Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from 38 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 3 transports moved from 38 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 38 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 38 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 7 fighters moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 21 Sea Zone to Japan 1 fighter moved from 21 Sea Zone to Japan 3 fighters moved from 21 Sea Zone to Philippines 2 tactical_bombers moved from 21 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Hunan to Guam 1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to Hunan 3 tactical_bombers moved from Hunan to 35 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 3 carriers placed in 37 Sea Zone 3 submarines placed in 36 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kiangsu: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Yunnan: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 infantry placed in Kiangsu Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 66 PUs; end with 68 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 71 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 76 PUs Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Japanese regular : -2.17 ANZAC regular : -0.17
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Farmboy (X) vs General Disarray (L+10) BM playoffs round 1

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Round: 2 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra ANZAC take Sumatra from Dutch 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma Place Units - ANZAC 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in New South Wales Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 18 PUs; end with 19 PUs Combat Move - French 1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt 1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone Combat - French Battle in 94 Sea Zone French attack with 1 destroyer Germans defend with 1 submarine French roll dice for 1 destroyer in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits French roll dice for 1 destroyer in 94 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits French roll dice for 1 destroyer in 94 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 94 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 94 Sea Zone French win with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - French 3 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco Turn Complete - French
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
French regular : 0.00 Germans regular : -0.50
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League General Discussion Thread

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@crockett36

Turn order would definitely affect the bid, it would be pure speculation as to how much it is worth - certainly USSR having an entire extra turn and not being vulnerable to Italian aggression in nearly the same sense is worth at least their 37 IPCs of production, as posited. USA also going before Germany might affect the bid, as US support in the European theater would be a full turn of buys stronger.

Also worth showing the difference in starting units/TUV between OOB and the G42 setup:

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While the unit count and TUV is closer, remember that France’s units and most of UK’s vaporize on G1; conversely in G42, about 100 German TUV is destroyed by the USSR on their opening turn. Also, much of that TUV is facilities: such as the NB/AB in Philippines, Guam, France that tends to fall rather quickly in OOB. So TUV/unit count don’t tell the whole story, of course, but it is interesting to see the difference.
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L24 PTV Adam514 (Axis+13) vs GeneralDisarray (Allies)

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L25 Playoff OOB GeneralDisarray (X) V ABH (A) Bid 50

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Round: 1 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 93 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Greece 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British 1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to British Somaliland Italians take British Somaliland from British 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Kenya Italians take Kenya from British Combat - Italians Battle in 93 Sea Zone Italians attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 submarine French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 fighters in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits French roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the French and 1 cruiser owned by the French lost in 93 Sea Zone Italians win, taking 93 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20 Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Battle in Greece Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Greece, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2.17 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece 3 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece 1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 1 bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern Italy 1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Slovakia Hungary 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy Place Units - Italians 1 destroyer placed in 97 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4 Italians collect 14 PUs; end with 16 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
French regular : -0.83 Italians regular : 0.17 Neutral_Allies regular : 0.33
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Axis & Allies Global 40: Economic Warfare (Video)

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L25 BM4 zarhunter (Axis) vs Lebowsky (Allies +19)

Lebowsky victorious as Allies