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@AndrewAAGamer said in League General Discussion Thread:

This, I think, is a great discussion so I would like to throw in my two cents.

I think two very important points have been made… 1) People get tired of the same game over time. 2) There are some things people don’t like about OOB so they play other games.

Now, for me, the main reason I like OOB is because a) it is the official game, b) there are so many various strategies that can be used to win and 3) it is a different game every time after about Round 4; especially due to the Bid.

I guess the first question is what is it that people do not like about the current state of OOB? One thing that I have heard is the large Bid. To digress, the first time I ever played OOB we played with no Bid in our face-to-face group. Pretty soon it was a $6 Bid to take the Allies that grew over time to $12, $18, mid-twenties, thirties, forties, fifties and finally after about 5 years all the way up to $60! We had people who could not believe the Axis could win at $60, yet it did win more than it lost. Now here online there have been some very unique Bid placements that I think is going to drive that $60 down to about $50-$52. The reason I point that out is currently BM seems to be about $20-$22 so even after all the changes BM4 made OOB is only about $30 more to the Bid.

Now, again, for me I like the Bid because how the Allies choose to place their Bid makes it a different game every time. But, assuming most people do not like the large Bid, how do we decrease it without radically changing the game like BM did?

See, for me, I don’t play BM4 because it is really a different game due to all the changes. Same goes for PTV. While both may be fun and fine games there are lots of games that match that criteria on TripleA and we don’t play those.

So, back to how to clean up OOB to make it more acceptable for everyone to play without radically changing it? What is it that, besides the large Bid, people don’t like?

I think one thing is the Russia gets money from the Middle East and Africa and that seems kind of cheesy. Okay, we remove that. But that is one way Russia gets extra money so we have to make up for that or the Bid would grow even more.

The fact Germany can steamroll Russia if Russia does not get assistance from UK? Okay, so again, we need more for Russia. So, what I would suggest is something that does not radically change the game but cleans up those two points if the general feeling is Russia is too weak.

So how much does Russia need? Well, about $50 or so to match the Bid plus another $10-$15 for the loss of the Middle East and Africa. Okay — so we add 10 infantries to Russia ($30) to start the game and then give them a National Objective that as long as they hold it gives them $5 more a Turn; such as “Must hold Caucasus and Volgograd”. This would make it more worthwhile for Russia to fight for the south and even if they fail should get them at least 6-7 turns of collection for $30-$35 — Bingo plus $60-$65!

I am not saying this would eliminate any Bid, but I bet it would drive it significantly under the current BM4 Bid. For those people who are just tired of the old game I am not sure this would bring them back however, it may bring in more Players who don’t like these three issues (Large Bid, cheesy Russia NO in Africa and weak Russia.)

What are other things people don’t like about OOB???

Exactly the kind of comment I was hoping for from a top tier player! Great solution. Great temporary experimental adjustment to the bid system! Doesn’t affect turn 1 at all. Thank you Andrew.
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BM4 Cousins Team Game - 2024.6

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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 9
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History
Round: 9 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 4 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hawaiian Islands to 16 Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 125 Sea Zone to 126 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 126 Sea Zone to Norway 4 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone 4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 2 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 2 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 1 tactical_bomber moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux 2 bombers and 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Normandy Bordeaux Combat - Americans Battle in Norway Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Americans attack with 2 bombers, 5 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 4 infantry Americans roll dice for 2 bombers, 5 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 7/12 hits, 5.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 4 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Normandy Bordeaux 2 artilleries owned by the Germans and 4 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux Americans win, taking Norway from Germans, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Germans with 2 bombers, 5 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11 Casualties for Americans: 3 infantry Casualties for Germans: 2 artilleries and 4 infantry Battle in 16 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers Japanese defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 tactical_bombers in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 16 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 16 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer Non Combat Move - Americans 2 tactical_bombers moved from 16 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 2 carriers and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands 1 artillery, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 5 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 8 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 mech_infantry, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 1 mech_infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern United States to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 92 Sea Zone 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to United Kingdom 2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 4 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco Place Units - Americans 2 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 4 infantry placed in Eastern United States 1 fighter placed in Western United States 1 destroyer placed in 10 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 59 PUs; end with 59 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 69 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy nothing; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 0 PUs; end with 4 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 armour moved from Morocco to Algeria British take Algeria from Italians 1 armour moved from Algeria to Morocco 2 infantry moved from India to Burma 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk British take Tobruk from Italians Combat - British Battle in Burma British attack with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Burma, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Burma British win, taking Burma from Japanese with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - British 1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to India 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan 1 mech_infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Nigeria to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 1 armour moved from Gold Coast to French Central Africa 3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Norway 1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to Norway 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Norway 3 aaGuns and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone 3 aaGuns, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone 2 aaGuns, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 125 Sea Zone to 126 Sea Zone 2 aaGuns and 2 infantry moved from 126 Sea Zone to Norway 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 125 Sea Zone to Norway 1 battleship moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 87 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 fighter moved from 92 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Norway 1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone Place Units - British 4 fighters placed in 110 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt Turn Complete - British British collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 36 PUs Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 39 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 42 PUs Objective British 2 Southern Europe Beach Head: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 45 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 3 infantry placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 9 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 3 infantry
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 2.17 Japanese regular : -0.67 Germans regular : 1.00 British regular : 0.17
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Sealion G1 - Economic Warfare

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I forgot about the convoys. Just rolled those out (2 and 4 dice) and hit the 8 max.

so UK down to $20 for turn two, IC at 17 damage, AB at 6 damage. UK only able to place 1 unit if they repair AB.

I’m messing around with different UK responses and rolling - London gets steamrolled turn 3 with this strategy with 15-17 ground units on London. Full Taranto and G2 is possible with good dice.

I like Sealion now
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L24 OOB Myygames (X) vs GovZ (A+42) Game II

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myygames-vs-govz_r5.tsvg

Game History
Round: 5 Purchase Units - Russians Russians repair damage of 8x factory_major; Remaining resources: 20 PUs; Russians buy 2 artilleries and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 armour moved from Russia to Vologda Russians take Vologda from Germans 1 armour moved from Vologda to Russia Combat - Russians Russians creates battle in territory 113 Sea Zone Non Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Siberia to Amur 2 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to India 2 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to Hunan 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Tsinghai to Russia Place Units - Russians 2 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs
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Novel naval base placements?

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@SuperbattleshipYamato I was mistaken, the NB in Spain was to reach Berlin/Warsaw

US and UK were can opening for each other so was setting up - take Denmark, go thru straits to get Berlin or Warsaw. I got Warsaw
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G40 OOB 2nd ed Caesar1 (Axis) vs Myygames (Allies +50)

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@Myygames Sorry I’ve lost the notification! I was still waiting
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Ragnell804 (Entente) vs TGC (CP) 1914 Balanced, Game 3

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Game History
Round: 2 Actions - AustroHungarians Purchase Units - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - AustroHungarians Trigger AlbaniaJoins: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachmentAlbaniaSwitch attached to Italians Trigger AlbaniaJoins: Italians captures territory Albania Trigger AlbaniaJoins: Italians takes ownership of territory Albania 4 artilleries and 18 infantry moved from Galicia to Ukraine 1 fighter moved from Vienna to Ukraine 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Romania to Galicia 2 infantry moved from Vienna to Trieste 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Vienna to Galicia 2 infantry moved from Trieste to Albania 2 artilleries moved from Trieste to Albania 2 infantry moved from Serbia to Trieste 2 infantry moved from Serbia to Trieste 2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Serbia to Albania Italians take Albania from Neutral_Allied Combat - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians creates battle in territory Romania AustroHungarians has abandoned SZ 10 to Russians AustroHungarians has abandoned SZ 20 to British Battle in Ukraine AustroHungarians attack with 4 artilleries, 1 fighter and 18 infantry Russians defend with 9 infantry AustroHungarians roll dice for 4 artilleries, 1 fighter and 18 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 15/23 hits, 9.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 9 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/9 hits, 4.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Ukraine 9 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine AustroHungarians win, taking SZ 10 from Germans, taking SZ 20 from Ottomans, taking Ukraine from Russians with 4 artilleries, 1 fighter and 17 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 24 Casualties for AustroHungarians: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 9 infantry Battle in Albania AustroHungarians attack with 4 artilleries and 7 infantry AustroHungarians roll dice for 4 artilleries and 7 infantry in Albania, round 2 : 6/11 hits, 5.00 expected hits Neutral_Allied roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Albania, round 2 : 4/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits 4 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Albania 1 artillery owned by the Italians and 3 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Albania AustroHungarians win, taking Albania from Italians with 4 artilleries and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12 Casualties for AustroHungarians: 4 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 3 infantry Battle in Romania AustroHungarians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry AustroHungarians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Romania 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Romania AustroHungarians win, taking Romania from Russians with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for AustroHungarians: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Combat Move - AustroHungarians Trigger ChangeToKielMine: Germans captures territory SZ 10 Trigger ChangeToConstantinopleMine: Ottomans captures territory SZ 20 Place Units - AustroHungarians 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry placed in Vienna Turn Complete - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians collect 36 PUs; end with 37 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Neutral_Allied regular : 2.00 Russians regular : -3.00 AustroHungarians regular : 7.00
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Axis & Allies Global 1940 House Rules Expansion

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@The-Captain said in Axis & Allies Global 1940 House Rules Expansion:

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Hi Ben,

Both dice counts.

Please note:
The 2-dice rule also concerns Heavy Bomber units, SHB, Army units etc.

In other words: Both dice counts for all these units.

Thanks for the clarification !