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PTV (Game 2) MuddSlinger (X+15) vs Nikola1975 (A)

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Japanese round 1
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 factory_minor and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Politics - Japanese Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Russians from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Chinese from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia 1: Changing Relationship for Russians and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War Combat Move - Japanese 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 20 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Japan to 7 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Amur 3 infantry moved from Korea to Amur 5 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 2 bombers moved from Japan to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi Japanese take Kiangsi from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar Japanese take Chahar from Chinese 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Shansi 1 marine moved from Caroline Islands to 34 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Buryatia 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Buryatia 1 fighter moved from Korea to Buryatia 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Manchuria to Buryatia 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Amur 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Buryatia 1 fighter moved from Japan to Shansi Combat - Japanese Battle in Shansi Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shansi, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shansi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shansi 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shansi Japanese win, taking Shansi from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Buryatia Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Russians defend with 3 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Buryatia, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 2.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Buryatia, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Buryatia Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Buryatia, round 3 : 4/7 hits, 2.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Buryatia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Buryatia Japanese win, taking Buryatia from Russians with 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry Battle in Amur Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 2 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Amur, round 2 : 5/9 hits, 3.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Amur, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Amur 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Amur Japanese win, taking Amur from Russians with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 4 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 3.00 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 3 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 3 : 3/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia: Russians captures territory Olgiy Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia: Russians captures territory Dzavhan Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia: Russians captures territory Tsagaan Olom Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia: Russians captures territory Central Mongolia Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia: Russians captures territory Buyant-Uhaa Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia: Russians captures territory Ulaanbaatar Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 1: has removed 2 infantry owned by Mongolians in Olgiy Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 1: has removed 1 infantry owned by Mongolians in Ulaanbaatar Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 1: has removed 1 infantry owned by Mongolians in Central Mongolia Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 1: has removed 2 infantry owned by Mongolians in Buyant-Uhaa Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 1: has removed 1 infantry owned by Mongolians in Tsagaan Olom Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 1: has removed 1 infantry owned by Mongolians in Dzavhan Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 2: Russians has 2 infantry placed in Olgiy Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 2: Russians has 1 infantry placed in Ulaanbaatar Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 2: Russians has 1 infantry placed in Central Mongolia Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 2: Russians has 2 infantry placed in Buyant-Uhaa Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 2: Russians has 1 infantry placed in Tsagaan Olom Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 2: Russians has 1 infantry placed in Dzavhan 2 bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 1 fighter moved from Formosa to Kwangsi 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi 1 infantry moved from Formosa to 21 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Kyushu to 20 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Jehol 2 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsu 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to Kyushu 1 infantry moved from Hokkaido to Japan 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 marine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 21 Sea Zone to Fukien 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 7 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 20 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 7 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Amur to Hokkaido 2 tactical_bombers moved from Buryatia to Northern Manchuria 2 fighters moved from Buryatia to Northern Manchuria 1 aaGun moved from Northern Manchuria to Amur 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shansi to Southern Manchuria 1 fighter moved from Shansi to Southern Manchuria 1 fighter moved from Shansi to Jehol 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 21 Sea Zone to Fukien Russians take Olgiy from Mongolians Russians take Dzavhan from Mongolians Russians take Tsagaan Olom from Mongolians Russians take Central Mongolia from Mongolians Russians take Buyant-Uhaa from Mongolians Russians take Ulaanbaatar from Mongolians Place Units - Japanese 1 factory_minor placed in Korea 3 infantry placed in Kiangsu Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia 2: Changing Relationship for Russians and Mongolians from War to Allied Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 34 PUs; end with 40 PUs Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 50 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 1.00 Japanese regular : 1.33 Russians regular : -1.00
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Anniversary 1941 - Cloud7707's (ALLIES) House Rules setup vs Mr_Stucifer (AXIS)

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 6
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II v3 1941

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Round: 6 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 5 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens; Purchase Units - Chinese Chinese builds 0 units. Combat Move - Americans 1 destroyer moved from 12 Sea Zone to 13 Sea Zone 4 fighters moved from 12 Sea Zone to 13 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Libya to Egypt 1 bomber moved from Libya to Egypt 2 infantry moved from Libya to Egypt Combat - Americans Battle in 13 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 4 fighters Italians defend with 1 cruiser Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 4 fighters in 13 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2,33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser in 13 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 cruiser owned by the Italians lost in 13 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 destroyer and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser Battle in Egypt Americans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Egypt, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2,00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Egypt, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Egypt 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Egypt Americans win, taking Egypt from Japanese with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Americans 2 fighters moved from Egypt to 12 Sea Zone 4 fighters moved from 13 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Egypt to Libya 1 submarine moved from 53 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Western United States to Western Canada 2 infantry moved from Alaska to Western Canada 1 armour moved from Eastern United States to Western Canada 1 armour moved from Western United States to Western Canada 2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 18 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 18 Sea Zone to Brazil 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to Eastern Canada 3 artilleries moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 10 Sea Zone 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 10 Sea Zone to 12 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 12 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone 3 artilleries moved from 12 Sea Zone to Morocco Algeria 3 infantry moved from 12 Sea Zone to Morocco Algeria 2 infantry moved from Morocco Algeria to Libya Place Units - Americans 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 armour placed in Western United States 1 infantry placed in Western United States 1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in Eastern United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 39 PUs; end with 39 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0,33 Japanese regular : 0,67 Italians regular : -0,50
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TOB (CP) vs. SBY (Entente) 1914 TGC Balance

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US Turn 22 Complete 1914 Game 22.tsvg

That and keeping Paris are some consolation for losing India, London, and Africa (also you winning with 1 capital more than neccessary).

Good game. You totally savaged me for 10+ rounds.

Wanna play again? Same deal, The Good Captain’s balance, I’m Allies.

Also I’m using the new pre-release 2.7. I’m not sure whether 2.6 engines can open files by it.
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Let's talk the Taranto raid.

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Thank you for the responses! I understand now.
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L24 PTV: Nikola1975 (Axis +12) vs. Stucifer (Allies)

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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 marine; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 98 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 98 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece 1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece 1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya Italians take Kenya from British 1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria Italians take Alexandria from British 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan Italians take Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British 1 artillery moved from Libya to Tobruk 1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone Combat - Italians Battle in 98 Sea Zone Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 submarine British defend with 1 cruiser Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 cruiser in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in 98 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 cruiser in 98 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 bomber owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone 1 fighter owned by the Italians retreated British win with 1 cruiser remaining. Battle score for attacker is -18 Casualties for Italians: 1 bomber and 1 submarine Battle in Greece Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 5 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 3 cruisers in Greece, round 2 : 4/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece 4 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry Battle in Yugoslavia Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry Neutral_Allies defend with 3 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 0/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 4 : 1/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia 1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia Italians win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 3 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Southern Italy Place Units - Italians 1 marine placed in Southern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 74 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1 Italians collect 15 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 21 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : -3.00 Neutral_Allies regular : -1.00 British regular : 1.00
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L24 PTV - Nikola1975 (axis +8) v Mikawagunichi

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Russians round 7
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

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Round: 7 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 4 artilleries, 5 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Southern Belarus Russians take Southern Belarus from Italians 1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Novgorod Russians take Novgorod from Germans 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Sakha to Siberia Russians take Siberia from Japanese 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Siberia to Soviet Far East 3 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Korea Combat - Russians Battle in Soviet Far East Russians attack with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry Japanese defend with 1 artillery Russians roll dice for 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Soviet Far East, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Soviet Far East, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians lost in Soviet Far East 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Soviet Far East Russians win, taking Soviet Far East from Japanese with 2 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1 Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery Battle in Korea Russians attack with 3 artilleries and 9 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 artilleries and 9 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 2/12 hits, 3.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Korea Russians win, taking Korea from Japanese with 3 artilleries and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 aaGun moved from Northern Manchuria to Korea 3 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 3 infantry moved from Kursk to Ukraine 3 fighters moved from Russia to Ukraine 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Rostov 1 infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus 1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Southern Caucasus 1 infantry moved from Samara to Gorky 4 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 40 infantry moved from Bryansk to Smolensk 10 artilleries moved from Russia to Smolensk 1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Yaroslavl 2 armour moved from Russia to Stalingrad Place Units - Russians 3 infantry placed in Ukraine 1 mech_infantry placed in Stalingrad 4 artilleries, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,5 Russians collect 41 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 41 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 44 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 46 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Japanese regular : 0.33 Russians regular : 0.67
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TGC (Germany) vs. VictoryFirst (Allies) Original Europe, Game 2

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@VictoryFirst sure thing, let er rip!! (and fyi, I haven’t forgot about the very important TripleA video - I just didn’t want to discuss africa and TripleA in the same video)
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris I don’t disagree. And as I noted, I can certainly appreciate why players won’t agree and it is against the default. I’m playing more BM though where bids are scarcer relative to OOB and I’ve generally decided that it is more useful for me to spend the 3 elsewhere. The benefits of british subs or an inf in Yunnan, for example, seem greater to me. You don’t see the benefit in the concrete outcome of getting an NO earlier or in not having to expose a transport, but I think I get more benefit from the constraints those other bid placements place on the axis. So I’m less opposed if someone else wants to do it. But because it is a rule breaker, I’d be more hesitant in a playoff game.