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I’ve only poked around with the Europe game, hence this thread being in the Europe subforum ;)

I definitely agree that you want carriers (with planes) along with destroyers – and not just purely destroyers. But my point mainly is that, in the European theatre (and particularly as the allies) you need destroyers (and planes) to attack enemy subs, and you also need destroyers (and planes) to defend against enemy aircraft.

What I tend to see the Ai do, is basically once the allied navy sticks its neck out too far (if it isn’t strong enough) the German planes will just suicide attack them. It’s easy enough to “out-defense” the Italian navy, and just box them in, but it requires a lot more of a surface fleet to fend off Germany’s air force. My point is essentially that submarines can “out-offense” the Italian fleet, but they don’t do anything about the latter problem, of German air power.

Like, I appreciate the validity of the math you’re putting forward, but to me the problem is that if my job (as the allies) is to kill 288 IPCs of submarines…? Guess what, I still have to use destroyers (and planes) because the game literally doesn’t let me use any other units to do that job – including other subs!

A game I talk about a lot on these forums (East & West) has a similar problem, whereby the submarine tech that makes it so subs can’t be attacked by planes is actually a tech nobody wants – because everyone more or less wants to use subs as cheap fodder, so that transports (which aren’t picked last, in E&W) and other units can be spared.

So, as I’ve said up-thread, destroyers are hogging up too much of the design space:
They do all the fun ASW mechanics, on their own AND shoot at planes They facilitate planes shooting at submarines (making carriers only facilitate planes’ movement – never mind carriers just being a weaker combat unit all-around, than in other versions) They fulfill the “cheap fodder” role (which was basically taken away from subs/transports) while still being necessary for everything mentioned above
So the only thing cruisers have over destroyers is that they can do shore bombards – but a cruiser costs more than a fighter that you could throw into the same amphibious assault for multiple rounds of combat, whereas a cruiser only fires once.

Another thing E&W did was have it so that units hit by shore bombardment actually do not fire back, which makes this ability much more useful. It also makes this mechanic functionally the same as submarine or AA gun hits; I think unifying these outlier mechanics for combat is indicative of good design, personally.

My immediate hunch is that, in order to make cruisers useful, you’d need to start by (probably) making shore bombardment be insta-kills – particularly if you’re still (for some reason) limiting the number of shots to the number of units being landed. The other thing that jumps off the page to me is that there’s no way a cruiser should cost more than a fighter.

FWIW, I also think the reason that in Classic you have carriers at A1/D3 and transports at A0/D1 (and not chosen last) is precisely because there isn’t a destroyer unit. So that version does a better job of spreading the design space around, to have those other ships fulfill the role that destroyers play; even letting subs get hit by planes is useful, if your goal is to preserve transports (as mentioned with the E&W example). It allows subs to be cheap fodder, while still packing an offensive punch; transports can do the former, but not the latter, so you still need a good mix.

Edit: (to add)
I can see a case for limiting shore bombardments in the Pacific, where nearly every land battle is going to be an amphibious battle. Again, I feel certain mechanics lend themselves to one theatre and not the other (naval and air bases for example, seem fairly shoe-horned into the Europe map.) It might be the case that each theatre only really needs one “middleweight” surface ship and not two. From a realism perspective, sure you’d want both – but from a mechanical and gameplay perspective? The unit balance is clearly busted.
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@gamerman01 but the problem is that it is indeed part of the standard rule set
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2024 BM Playoffs Adam514 (Axis) vs pacifiersboard (Allies+22)

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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

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Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 111 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 91 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Anglo Egyptian Sudan: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by British to India: 1 marine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Germans buy 6 artilleries and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 3 armour, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France 3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to Yugoslavia 1 fighter moved from Norway to 110 Sea Zone Combat - Germans Battle in Yugoslavia Germans attack with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 5/17 hits, 5.83 expected hits Neutral_Allies roll dice for 5 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Yugoslavia 5 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 8 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry Battle in 110 Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers British defend with 1 battleship and 1 cruiser; French defend with 1 cruiser Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 7/10 hits, 6.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in 110 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans 1 cruiser owned by the French, 1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in 110 Sea Zone Germans win with 1 battleship, 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 44 Casualties for British: 1 battleship and 1 cruiser Casualties for French: 1 cruiser Battle in 106 Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 106 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 106 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 106 Sea Zone Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 106 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 106 Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 106 Sea Zone, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 106 Sea Zone, round 6 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 106 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 106 Sea Zone British win with 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in France Germans attack with 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 7 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys in France, round 2 : 5/20 hits, 6.33 expected hits French roll dice for 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry in France, round 2 : 4/11 hits, 4.33 expected hits 4 infantry owned by the Germans lost in France 1 aaGun owned by the French and 4 infantry owned by the French lost in France Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys in France, round 3 : 4/16 hits, 5.67 expected hits French roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in France, round 3 : 4/7 hits, 3.00 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in France 2 infantry owned by the French, 1 artillery owned by the British and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in France Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries and 3 mech_infantrys in France, round 4 : 4/12 hits, 5.00 expected hits French roll dice for 2 armour and 1 fighter in France, round 4 : 3/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits 2 artilleries owned by the Germans and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in France 1 armour owned by the French, 1 fighter owned by the French and 1 armour owned by the British lost in France Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital Germans converts factory_major into different units Germans win, taking France from French with 6 armour, 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16 Casualties for Germans: 2 artilleries, 7 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French triggerFrenchDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to French 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Norway 1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 121 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Western Germany 1 aaGun moved from Germany to Poland 1 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary 2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary 3 infantry moved from Norway to Finland Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis 1 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany 1 cruiser moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany Place Units - Germans 6 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 39 PUs; end with 58 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
French regular : 2.00 Neutral_Allies regular : -0.67 Germans regular : -5.50 British regular : -0.33
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2024 Playoff OOB Round 1 Pacifiers Board (+42) v Gamerman01

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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition

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Round: 1 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Non Combat Move - Americans 1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 18 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Philippines to Guam 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands 1 bomber moved from Central United States to Hawaiian Islands 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Eastern United States to Central United States 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Eastern United States 1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Southeast Mexico 1 tactical_bomber moved from 10 Sea Zone to Eastern United States 1 fighter moved from 10 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands Place Units - Americans 3 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone 1 infantry placed in Central United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan 1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Yunnan Combat - Chinese Battle in Yunnan Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 artillery Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery Non Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Shensi 2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi 1 infantry moved from Shensi to Szechwan Place Units - Chinese 4 infantry placed in Szechwan Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 15 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 2 destroyers, 1 mech_infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 95 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Malta to 95 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 95 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 110 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Scotland to 111 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec Combat - British Battle in 111 Sea Zone British attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 battleship and 2 submarines British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2,67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in 111 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 battleship owned by the Germans and 2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in 111 Sea Zone British win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 32 Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship and 2 submarines Battle in 96 Sea Zone British attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 96 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone 1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 96 Sea Zone British win with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15 Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in 95 Sea Zone British attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber Italians defend with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport British roll dice for 1 submarine in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3,67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the British lost in 95 Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the Italians, 1 transport owned by the Italians, 1 cruiser owned by the Italians and 1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 95 Sea Zone British win with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23 Casualties for British: 1 fighter Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport Non Combat Move - British 1 cruiser moved from 110 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 111 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 2 fighters moved from 111 Sea Zone to Scotland 1 aaGun moved from United Kingdom to Scotland 1 carrier moved from 98 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland 1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Alexandria to Egypt 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt 1 tactical_bomber moved from 95 Sea Zone to Malta 1 bomber moved from 95 Sea Zone to Malta 1 bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Egypt 1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Scotland to 109 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to British Somaliland 1 cruiser moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra UK_Pacific take Sumatra from Dutch 1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State 1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies 1 fighter moved from Burma to India 1 aaGun moved from Scotland to United Kingdom Place Units - British 1 transport placed in 71 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa 1 destroyer placed in 110 Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 109 Sea Zone Turn Complete - British Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 106 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,5,6,6 British collect 26 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 26 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 31 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 21 PUs; end with 21 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 111 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 91 Sea Zone: 1 cruiser EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 0,17 Italians regular : -0,67 Japanese regular : 0,67 Germans regular : -1,00 British regular : 0,33
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Rules of A&A 40th anniversary

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You can find the download link in the very first stickied topic of this forum category.

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/24786/anniversary-edition-rulebook-available-for-download