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Out of the Box 2nd Edition League Discussion

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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris is speaking succinctly, and speaking for most of us,

We want to preserve the base ruleset as much as we can and if a player wants some modification and the other doesn’t, then the default is the actual out of the box rules. This has been agreed upon as a higher priority, so that OOB players interested in league can jump right in, and current or departing league players can seamlessly play OOB outside the league.

Bidding definitely creates the opportunity for more chaos and cheese, and of course any bid is a modification of the game start, but it is not changing any mechanics or rules of play after game start. If a player doesn’t like 40+ bids, he should propose alternatives to his opponent, who will often be agreeable.

This is where you can say, hey, let’s reduce German NO’s from 5 to 3 and then the bidding can be lower. In my latest game, after bidding started I realized I wanted to know where his bid was going to be, so I revealed mine and asked if he’d reveal his. Then I knew I wasn’t going to face a starting placement I wouldn’t like. So you can get creative with your opponent, but when you don’t agree, out of box rules are your fallback.

The default league rules are not effectively a restriction or a hindrance, they are a safeguard that protects players from being expected to play something other than out of the box, when they just want to play out of the box.

Pretty much total freedom is given to two players who want to doctor up any crazy modifications of out of the box they want, and the game will still be counted in out of the box league play, which is very lenient. Conceivably even a small band of players could be playing in OOB league play with all their unconventional rules, but as soon as they want to play someone else in the league who doesn’t want those rules, the league rules protect the “normal” player.
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League General Discussion Thread

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@crockett36

Thank you for the suggestions you put thought into. January is the time for league rule changes, yes.
It is intriguing to consider different “flavors of the year”, but

“No” to standard bids set.
Individual player game by game bids are preferred because of individual and unique player strategies, it changes up the game, sometimes a LOT (you mentioned stale). It would actually be more stale if the starting set up was largely dictated to everyone for a year. Guard rail not needed, inexperienced player can just look at what the successful players bid

Players can agree to almost any modification for their game, so all kinds of customization and fun is allowed, and this is true even in the playoffs. But this is game by game so that everyone can count on the standard, out of the box experience without having them altered uninvited by others

If you have some consensus with multiple other league members on a change, or depending on the nature of your change, it is certainly possible to effect a change in rules. I give the people what they want, and I don’t think your suggestions so far will be welcomed by the majority. I reconsider if some of you start to coagulate
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2024 Playoff OOB Round 1 Pacifiers Board (+42) v Gamerman01

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Cruiser to 112, didn’t see that coming either.
You might have saved me from myself…
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PTV Daaras (x+12) vs General Disarray

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@GeneralDisarray I edited an italian blocker in the med as i somehow forgot to on their turn. the undo button gets me sometimes. The naval port in mexico was genius
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L24 PtV Gorshak (Axis+10) vs ArtofWar1947 (Allies) #2

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@Gorshak

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Did not scramble to Austria because of the overwhelming odds.

Game History
Round: 13 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 3 armour, 1 fighter, 5 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Romania 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 7 armour and 6 mech_infantrys moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Austria 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Slovakia Hungary to Poland 1 fighter moved from Eastern Poland to Poland 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Romania 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Romania 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania Combat - Russians Battle in Austria Russians attack with 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Austria, round 2 : 6/10 hits, 4.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Austria, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Austria Russians win, taking Austria from Germans with 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Battle in Romania Russians attack with 11 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 11 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys in Romania, round 2 : 11/25 hits, 10.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Romania 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Romania Russians win, taking Romania from Germans with 11 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 11 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Poland Russians attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Poland, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 3.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Poland, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Poland Russians win, taking Poland from Germans with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 1 aaGun moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania 3 aaGuns, 6 artilleries and 31 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Northern Belarus 6 infantry moved from Russia to Yaroslavl 1 infantry moved from Northern Sinkiang to Kansu 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Sinkiang to Inner Mongolia 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Urals to Kansu 1 infantry moved from Urals to Timguska 2 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Tsagaan Olom 12 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Leningrad 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Poland to Leningrad 5 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Austria to Eastern Poland 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Inner Mongolia Place Units - Russians 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Urals 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Ukraine 1 armour, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 54 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 56 PUs Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 12 PUs; end with 68 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.67 Russians regular : 4.00
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L24 OOB surfer (X) vs AndrewAAGamer (L+60) #1

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Scramble 97?

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WaW Witt Germany best, Ron Italy, Seb and Wayne as Japan.

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@Elrood Romania 9 Witt.tsvg
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L25 bm4 axis-dom vs simon33 (allies+16)

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lol why do ppl give up so easily… you haven’t lost a single capitol, russia still with a massive stack, uk integrity in ME still in tact, china isn’t even taken.