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L24 PTV MikawaGunichi (X+7) vs Wizmark Game#2

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Japanese round 10
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

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Round: 10 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 6 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 6 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Siberia 4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 4 infantry moved from 25 Sea Zone to Midway 1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from Marshall Islands to 33 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Gilbert Islands to 33 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from 25 Sea Zone to Midway 1 armour moved from Kwangtung to French Indo China Japanese take Kwangsi from Chinese Japanese take French Indo China from UK_Pacific 1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Hunan Japanese take Hunan from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Kansu Japanese take Kansu from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Honan to Hopei Japanese take Hopei from Chinese 1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 132 Sea Zone to Celebes 4 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Malaya to 132 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Celebes 3 artilleries, 1 battleship, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 5 destroyers, 5 fighters, 3 infantry, 6 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 3 transports moved from 132 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Sumatra 1 artillery moved from 42 Sea Zone to Sumatra 2 artilleries, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java Combat - Japanese Battle in 59 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter Americans defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 59 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Battle in Siberia Battle in 26 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer Americans defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 26 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking Siberia from Russians with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Battle in 45 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 destroyer and 1 transport British defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the British lost in 45 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 45 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 1 transport Battle in 42 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 5 destroyers, 6 submarines and 3 transports Americans defend with 1 submarine Japanese roll dice for 6 submarines in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 42 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 42 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 5 destroyers, 6 submarines and 3 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine Battle in Java Japanese attack with 2 artilleries, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Java, round 2 : 5/9 hits, 4.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Java, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Java Japanese win, taking Java from Americans with 2 artilleries, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in Sumatra Battle in Celebes Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Celebes, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Celebes, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Celebes Japanese win, taking Sumatra from UK_Pacific, taking Celebes from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in Midway Japanese attack with 5 infantry and 1 marine Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery and 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Midway, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Midway, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Midway 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Midway Japanese win, taking Midway from Americans with 4 infantry and 1 marine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Trigger Japanese Destroy Factories Siberia: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Japanese in Siberia Non Combat Move - Japanese Trigger Siberia Has Fallen to Japanese Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Siberia_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed_Japanese attached to Japanese 1 carrier and 1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from 5 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to Shantung 2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries, 4 fighters, 12 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangtung to Fukien 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Fukien 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Honan 1 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Honan 1 transport moved from 132 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to Davao 1 bomber moved from Kwangtung to Davao 1 carrier moved from 34 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 34 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 34 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Celebes to 45 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 59 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 1 carrier, 1 submarine and 2 transports placed in 7 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Shantung 4 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 55 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs Objective Japanese 5 Pacific Airfields: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs Objective Japanese 7 Vital Forward Bases: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.33 Japanese regular : 3.00 UK_Pacific regular : -0.67
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Wiz (X+10) vs Max334 (L) PTV G1 2024

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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 5
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

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Round: 5 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 4 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 4 infantry, 2 submarines and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 94 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Algeria to 96 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Morocco to 93 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Northern Italy 1 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia Americans take Tunisia from Italians 1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 34 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 18 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 18 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima Combat - Americans Americans creates battle in territory 23 Sea Zone Battle in Northern Italy Americans converts factory_major into different units Battle in Iwo Jima Non Combat Move - Americans 1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 104 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 93 Sea Zone to Sardinia 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 93 Sea Zone 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 3 transports moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 23 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone 2 marines moved from Caroline Islands to 34 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 2 marines moved from 34 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 2 marines moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 fighter moved from Wake Island to 27 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 55 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 1 destroyer moved from 94 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 3 transports placed in 104 Sea Zone 1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 1 transport placed in 11 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Western United States 3 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in Eastern United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 58 PUs; end with 58 PUs Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 73 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 83 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangtung UK_Pacific take Kwangtung from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Shantung Chinese take Shantung from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsu Chinese take Kiangsu from Japanese 1 artillery moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kiangsi Combat - Chinese Battle in Yunnan Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan 1 fighter owned by the Chinese retreated Japanese win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6 Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Kiangsi Chinese attack with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Kiangsi, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kiangsi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kiangsi Chinese win, taking Kiangsi from Japanese with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Szechwan 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Shansi to Honan 1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Honan Place Units - Chinese 1 infantry placed in Honan 3 infantry placed in Szechwan 1 infantry placed in Honan Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 17 PUs; end with 18 PUs Purchase Units - British Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 94 Sea Zone: 1 carrier and 2 fighters EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 93 Sea Zone: 1 carrier and 2 fighters EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode British buy 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 2 infantry and 1 marine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to Shan State 1 bomber moved from Eastern India to Yunnan 1 fighter moved from Eastern India to Shan State 3 infantry moved from Iraq to Syria British take Syria from Neutral_Axis 1 armour moved from Iraq to Syria Combat - British Battle in Yunnan British attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 artillery British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Yunnan 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan British win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery Battle in Shan State British attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 2 infantry British roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shan State, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Shan State, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Shan State 2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shan State British win, taking Shan State from Japanese with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Non Combat Move - British 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to Eastern India 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Eastern India to Burma 1 bomber moved from Yunnan to Eastern India 1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Egypt to 83 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Alexandria to Tobruk 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 83 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Northern Italy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 100 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Northern Italy 1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 93 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Northern Italy 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Quebec to 109 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 73 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 73 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 83 Sea Zone to Egypt 1 artillery moved from Albania to Greece 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar 1 tactical_bomber moved from 100 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 fighter moved from 100 Sea Zone to Northern Italy Place Units - British 1 airfield placed in Gibraltar 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Egypt 1 transport placed in 73 Sea Zone 1 artillery placed in Union of South Africa 1 destroyer placed in 113 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in United Kingdom Turn Complete - British British collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 43 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 46 PUs Objective British 2 Southern Europe Beach Head: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 49 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 2 infantry and 1 marine placed in Eastern India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 11 PUs; end with 11 PUs Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 14 PUs Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 2 infantry and 1 marine
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : -0.83 Japanese regular : 2.33 British regular : 0.17
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@JHendrix112 Hi Justin - Unfortunately I deleted all of my videos a few years ago after seeing some hurtful criticism on Youtube. I now regret doing that, as I realize now far more people have enjoyed the videos than disliked them. Thank you for the kind feedback. On a good note, a some of my subjects can be found in these forums in written form.
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L24 BM4 Surfer (Allies+23) vs Avner (Axis)

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 16
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

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Round: 16 Combat Move - Russians 14 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi Combat - Russians Battle in Shensi Russians attack with 14 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 14 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 2/14 hits, 2.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shensi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shensi Russians win, taking Shensi from Japanese with 14 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 aaGun moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi Turn Complete - Russians
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Japanese regular : -0.33 Russians regular : -0.33
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L24 BM4 1/4 Playoff Me1945 vs Ghostglider (Allies+22)

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 1
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

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Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 106 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 91 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Alexandria: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Egypt: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Anglo Egyptian Sudan: 1 infantry EDIT: Changing PUs for UK_Pacific from 17 to 18 EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 submarine moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 117 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 111 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to 111 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 112 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 1 bomber moved from Germany to 110 Sea Zone 3 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to France 3 armour moved from Greater Southern Germany to France 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia 1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 1 fighter moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
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2024 Playoff OOB Round 1 Pacifiers Board (+42) v Gamerman01

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@gamerman01 He lulls you into a false sense that victory is possible. Then you send your bombers over Moscow and watch a full turn of economic output evaporate in a sea of snake eyes.
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France's role in Global 1940 SE

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@The-Janus I think it is out of the box
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Why Should I Buy U.S.A. Infantry?

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@SlammerIV Infantry will be bought at the end-ish but I think but not as much as other things.