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About Europe 1940:

I do think you’re right that submarines don’t have much to do on the Allied side. But that’s historically accurate. Despite the clear competency Allied submarines had in the Pacific, there was just not much for them to do in the European Theater of Operations historically (one of the reasons we don’t hear of their escapades all that much) relative to other units. Personally I prefer historical accuracy even if it renders some units utterly unbuyable (like almost any naval unit for the USSR).

As you correctly pointed out, cruisers are not powerful enough to justify their purchase while destroyers are quite powerful. I don’t understand your complaint about destroyers “taking away” the fodder role from submarines. Maybe that’s the case in Europe, but destroyers historically were the fodder units for surface fleets (at least out of the ones that are in the game, obviously torpedo boats, frigates, etc. are the true fodder units). In the Pacific sumbarines are effective as fodder.

I think battleships and cruisers can stay as they are, as I quite like the reasoning in here that cruisers* and battleships are purposely unbuyable to reflect them growing obsolete during the war. I do think to be historically accurate there should be a mechanism to reflect ships under construction being finished, maybe a one-time discount for a set number of battleships and cruisers, like allowing the US to buy one battleship on turn 7 for 17 IPCs to reflect the Iowas finishing construction, and one cruiser for 10 IPCs to reflect the later Baltimores finishing construction (both representing the fact that part of the “cost” of the ships was already paid for before the game started). We can do a similar thing for Japan, the UK, etc.

Anyhow, I no longer think we should lower the price of cruisers for historical accuracy. For example, a Fletcher class destroyer, which the game uses to represent American destroyers, allegedly cost 6 million USD while the heavy cruiser Portland, used to represent American cruisers, allegedly cost 10 million USD, so cruisers being about 150% of a destroyer’s cost works well.

Thanks for helping me think through my views on cruisers.

*I used to think cruisers didn’t become obsolete until later, but after some further thought I realized they were fast becoming obsolete during and after World War 2. As I wrote in the discussion I linked, the three original uses of cruisers when they were first created were superseded by aircraft and submarines during and after the war. While I still think they served an important role as destroyer squadron commanders, I now imagine those commanding light cruisers are “embedded” within the destroyer unit as each piece represetns a fully independent formation. Heavy cruiser squardons were not much better than battleship squardons, which was why most powers gave up gun armed cruisers soon after the war (and as destroyers have been getting bigger and bigger, all cruisers are rapidly aging and are being succeeded by large destroyers).
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TGC (CP) vs. Rangell804 (Entente), 1914 Balanced

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Round: 5 Purchase Units - French French buy 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - French 1 fighter moved from Belgium to Picardy 1 infantry moved from Burgundy to Piedmont 5 infantry moved from Piedmont to Venice 1 infantry moved from Paris to Burgundy 8 infantry moved from Paris to Picardy 1 infantry moved from Belgium to Alsace 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from SZ 22 to SZ 7 1 transport moved from SZ 22 to SZ 2 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from SZ 2 to SZ 8 Combat - French French creates battle in territory SZ 10 Battle in Alsace French attack with 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry French roll dice for 2 infantry in Alsace, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Alsace, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Alsace French win, taking SZ 10 from Germans with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Combat Move - French Trigger ChangeToKielMine: Germans captures territory SZ 10 Place Units - French 11 infantry placed in Paris Turn Complete - French French collect 32 PUs; end with 33 PUs
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French regular : 0.33 Germans regular : -0.50
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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 4
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

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Round: 4 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians Non Combat Move - Italians 1 submarine moved from 100 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kenya to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt 4 transports moved from 94 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone 2 transports moved from 94 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Southern France to 95 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France Place Units - Italians 1 factory_minor placed in Egypt 3 infantry placed in Southern France 1 fighter placed in Southern Italy 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Northern Italy Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing ownership of Belgian Congo from British to Italians EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 29 PUs Objective Italians 3 North Africa Control: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 34 PUs Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 39 PUs
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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

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Round: 1 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 1 armour, 6 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Russians Combat - Russians Non Combat Move - Russians 2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Sakha to Siberia 3 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia 3 infantry moved from Buryatia to Sakha 2 infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus 2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine 3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine 1 infantry moved from Southern Belarus to Northern Belarus 3 infantry moved from Baltic States to Northern Belarus 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus 1 fighter moved from Northern Belarus to Ukraine 3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad 1 infantry moved from Archangel to Leningrad 2 infantry moved from Karelia to Archangel 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Ukraine 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Southern Belarus Place Units - Russians 3 artilleries placed in Leningrad 3 artilleries placed in Ukraine 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 46 PUs; end with 47 PUs
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L24 Wizmark (X) vs Avner (L+22) BM4 G1

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TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 11
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

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Round: 11 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 3 armour, 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Dutch New Guinea to New Guinea Japanese take New Guinea from ANZAC 1 submarine moved from 41 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Japan to 17 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam 2 bombers moved from Japan to Guam 1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 tactical_bombers moved from Japan to Iwo Jima 2 fighters moved from Japan to Iwo Jima 2 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima Combat - Japanese Battle in 17 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport Americans defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 17 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Battle in 42 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 submarine and 2 transports Americans defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 42 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 submarine and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Battle in 21 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport Americans defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 21 Sea Zone Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Battle in Java Japanese attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry Americans defend with 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Java, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Java Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Java, round 3 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Java, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Java, round 4 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Java, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Americans lost in Java Japanese win, taking Java from Americans with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Battle in Guam Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers and 1 infantry Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery and 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers and 1 infantry in Guam, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Guam, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Guam Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers and 1 infantry in Guam, round 3 : 4/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Guam, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Guam Japanese win, taking Guam from Americans with 1 artillery, 2 bombers and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in Iwo Jima Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Iwo Jima, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Iwo Jima, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Iwo Jima 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Iwo Jima Japanese win, taking Iwo Jima from Americans with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Japanese 1 marine moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Sikang to Kazakhstan 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Sikang 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan 3 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 armour, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Amur to Korea 2 bombers moved from Guam to Shantung 2 battleships, 7 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 6 fighters, 1 marine, 3 submarines, 7 tactical_bombers and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 21 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 17 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Iwo Jima to 6 Sea Zone 2 tactical_bombers moved from Iwo Jima to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Iwo Jima to 6 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Malaya to Burma 3 armour moved from French Indo China to Burma 1 marine moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan Place Units - Japanese 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone 3 armour placed in French Indo China 2 mech_infantrys placed in Malaya 1 infantry placed in Shantung Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 75 PUs; end with 75 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 78 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 83 PUs
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Americans regular : -2.00 Japanese regular : 0.33
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Lee vs Emil AA50 (1942)

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L24 Wizmark (allies) vs Koala (axis+10)

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@koala hmm…Im not sure how to go about this. There has been a misclick in landing the US planes in the channel. They should have landed on the cvs but im playing on a laptop and the models are quite squashed in there, so i didnt realise they had landed in London. The blocking dd in 107 should have been supported by the cv planes. It leaves the fleet far too vulnerable as well which would never have been the intention. Can we redo the italian round to show this? Your call of course.
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L24 BM4 1/4 Playoff Me1945 vs Ghostglider (Allies+22)

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

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Round: 2 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 1 artillery, 7 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians Non Combat Move - Russians 2 aaGuns and 18 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur 2 infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus 3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus 1 aaGun moved from Belarus to Novgorod 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Belarus to Novgorod 6 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 submarine moved from 125 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone Place Units - Russians 3 mech_infantrys placed in Novgorod 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine 5 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs
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